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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. 1) exchange rate drop was less than 25% but combined with other charges like higher transport cost due to exchange rate it comes to around 25% (I'm not their accountant by the way, so if this is a few % out - it could be, I just wanted to use a real world example that I know about to illustrate my point)
    2) 5th largest GDP converted to market exchange rates, 9th in purchasing power. So definitely in top 10 which I hope we would all expect? Growth is low and productivity low (1.6 compared to 2.1 for France) however as we all know statistics don't tell the whole story. All western economies will have a problem with this, due to aging population, higher costs, lower tax receipts.
    3) no idea, I'm no economist and even economists are just crystal ball gazers using data. The EU is a big trading bloc, not as big without U.K. and they will need to create new deals - just like we need too.

    Doesn't matter if you are for or against Brexit, the reality is that the economy will suffer for a period until it rebalances - and that's just common sense.
    I'm originally from NZ ( yeah - bloody foreigner!) and when UK joined EEC /EU we suffered big time, but over a period of maybe 10 years found new markets, new deals and got back to a decent level.
     
  2. Don't forget the blue passports (made in France!)
     
  3. Have we left yet?




    Thought not...........;)
     
  4. We are waiting for the other 27 to catch up to the fact the eu comission are supposed to be employed by the 27 and not the 27's bosses. They are slow but I think they re getting there.
     
  5. How can the French have higher production rates, when they worlmthe fewest hours a week and are always on strike and its illegal to check your work email at home?! #smellsfishierthanahookersdrawersat4inthemorning
     
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  6. Because they invest more in technology (and in infrastructure, think TGV etc) that helps increase productivity than we do....and they work longer hours than you think, or the stereotype suggests (at least my colleagues at our DC in Strasbourg do)....and strikes tend to be limited to the public sector (which is bloated/overly protected).
     
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  7. Just maybe they produce more when they are working??????
     
  8. FPMLS have you ever done any work with the French?! IME within the motor and financial industries, there stereotype is totally spot on.

    The technology is an argument, but as with most stats the basis of them is open for massaging for a particular standpoint
     
  9. The figures don’t lie.
     
  10. Thought I'd go and see how its calculated.

    Seems it all starts with GDP, then divided into the number of hours worked. So if a country produces lots of low value items' and works long hours, it actually means they are less productive (?!)

    Scenario seems to be:
    sell high value, low maintenance financial services (is that Luxembourg?) and have people work fewer hours because they get paid well and can afford to work less = high productivity
    sell low value, high maintenance tourism (is that Spain?) and pay people far less because the sale value is less = low productivity

    Yet the second scenario delivers more things, to more people, over longer hours and cant be done in less....

    So productivity really is a measure of the value of one unit of something produced, its not how much is produced, and the more automated and more expensive the item is, the more 'productive you are. Or employ loads of people working few hours for the same GDP and bingo :punch:

    Another 'nothing like real world' calculation to ignore then :upyeah:
     
  11. No1 productive country...Luxembourg...lies, damn lies & statistics

    That's beside the fact that 85% of Luxembourg's economy is based on banking. ... So, the economic output generated by these individuals are counted as domestic product for Luxembourg but the people who generate that product don't live in the country and so aren't part of its population when we calculate GDP per capita.
     
  12. Reports in the media today that ‘the City’ is showing stronger than ever and the EU are offering concessions as they are getting scared of a no deal and have started to offer concessions.
    We should go for no deal and pay nothing no matter what they offer o_O:upyeah:
     
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  13. The figures have always shown the eu will get hurt more than us BUT only if we have a wto/free trade deal THAT involves tariffs. Again being the good friend we are to our fellow europeople, we said we would wave if they did too.

    As a leaver because of the eu comission, the U.K. has largely bent over backwards, in divorce terms, we would be the nice partner leaving but wishing good terms so to remain friends, the eu has been our partner that realises or past has been a good one and the eu comission has been that shit stirring cvnt of a lawyer that wants to see everyone unhappy except themselves, and I think the 27 are waking upto that finally.

    Europe isn't junker or barnier, it's the people of the 28 and the commission are driving people away
     
  14. Not THOSE figures. They ALWAYS lie :upyeah:
     
  15. Shhhh, don't tell Dukey :eek:
     
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  16. The Mail and Express are for wiping your arse, not for reading. :D
     
  17. I normally just print your posts and use those for arse wipery duke :D

     
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