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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. The only good thing about May is her stubbornness , I can see her running this out as long as possible, two or three votes in parliament with a few little tweeks from the EU and possibly get her deal through, if not she will push until there's no time left for anything other than out without a deal, hopefully, she won't want to fail completely.
     
  2. I doubt she will let you write the speech for when she gives it, but that’s basically what it will say.
    I hope she gives you the credit.
     
  3. What has really ticked me off with Labour, Lib Dems and the minor parties there still playing petty politics instead of helping the government to carryout the leave mandate the public have given them
    None of the other parties offer up constructive suggestions or propose a way forward
    If we have another referendum what would happen if the result is still leave, if the result was stay would it then be best of 3 or 5 or 7
    It's a complete cock up
     
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  4. Intention seems to have always been stay anyway.

    Mays biggest mistake imho was not having a cross party team for brexit. The thing is bigger than party nonsense
     
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  5. May's biggest mistake was trying to stay in while trying to leave at the same time. She's gone for an impossible goal and tried to keep both sides happy. At some point she had to come down on one side or other and she's still trying it today. Also allowing the EU to dictate everything from day one with the timetable.

    The Labour party just opposing everything without having a plan, coupled with no majority hasn't helped. They can smell blood and getting into power whilst being as vague as possible on Brexit is the game.

    She should have started planning for no deal on day one and setting it as the default position to sow the seed. By not doing so (or having it ticking along in the background) whilst talking to the EU, insisting we would get a deal when a deal isn't going to happen, she has opened up the flood gates for criticism of her handling of the whole thing. Cameron was the same pre-vote, he wouldn't say what would happen in the event of a vote to leave (apart from triggering article 50 the day after the vote, insisting it was a once in a lifetime vote and we would not be asked to vote again) as he was adamant we'd vote to stay.

    She's not jumped on members of her party who have been undermining her. Hammond has been at it since day one and should have been sacked right at the start. Olly Robins undermining the Brexit Secretaries and conducting negotiations (although this is not a mistake, but deliberate). Not filling her cabinet and positions of power with leave supporting MP's

    She's engaged in Project Fear MKII when she herself admitted that Project Fear MKI was a mistake and didn't work.

    She's not a strong leader willing to make tough decisions, she showed this as Home Secretary. People want to be lead by a "leader", she hasn't got the qualities.

    It goes on...........
     
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  6. I reckon it's a plan by the snp to get us to leave then rename the U.K. as Scotchland.
     
  7. If the majority of MPs in the HoC vote to recind Article 50, it will be done. Technically the government would not have to obey the HoC, but in reality -and to avoid a constitutional crisis- it would certainly happen.

    May will have to win the vote on Tuesday or face the music within 3 days. Its going to be interesting. A massive defeat should at least see her resign if not a GE.
     
  8. really? they can recind article 50? how did that happen?
     
  9. Maybe Burcow can make some more rules up so govt can avoid listening to HoC...or more likley one that, even if May wins, to overrule it : unamused:
     
  10. Its always been the case. You can recind your agreement to anything until you have actually agreed, like a loan or house purchase. Or leaving a room, until you step through the door, you haven't left. Todate the government has notified the UK's intention to leave on the 29th. Up to then the UK has not left, and so can decide not to do so.

    The courts recently confirmed this, and interestlngly said that as countries cannot be compelled to acede to the EU, they similary cannot be compelled to leave.

    https://theconversation.com/article-50-can-be-revoked-heres-what-it-means-for-brexit-108522
     
    #21610 Jez900ie, Jan 11, 2019
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  11. May only wins in her dreams. Plus most of her dreams are about running through wheat fields...
     
  12. i know, i know who took it to court to test if it could be done unilaterally also. :D
    just a wee wind up. :upyeah:
     
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  13. Not quite. Don’t the other 27 all have to agree that it can be withdrawn?
     
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  14. nah, it can be done unilaterally
     
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  15. No definitely not. The EU 27 would have to agree to an extension of of the time alloted to withdraw, but this is a pointless issue, since any member country can annouce withdrawal with a two year time limit, then unilaterally decide to cancel it, and if they so wish annouce withdrawal again for another two years...

    I edited my other post to include the link on but here it is again
    https://theconversation.com/article-50-can-be-revoked-heres-what-it-means-for-brexit-108522
     
  16. May's plan B is probably to walk away, she was not the instigator of this mess and who ever gets in, will not do any better. Whatever happens, most will of course just blame which ever Government is in as their default position.
     
  17. I rather thought you would since there is a strong Scots element!
     
  18. May wanted to be the leader of the Tory party, wants to be PM, and annouced recently that she would "fight any attempt to remove her with everything she had".

    May was also a major part of the government for the last eight years. I do not accept that the government of the day shoulders the blame for all issues . If there is any blame to be apportioned, May should accept her willing role has made her someone who should receive it.
     
  19. Was there a plan A at all or just a series of U turns trying to keep everyone happy?..as long as her PM seat is strong and stable. :)
     
  20. The principal role of the Speaker is to ensure that the voice and will of the HoC is heard, loudly and clearly. The current government has been deliberately refusing to allow this, which is wrong.

    The speaker is also there to enforce the rules, but rules too evolve. Leadsome was trying to silence the majority of MPs and thwart their wishes (borne out by the recent vote) which might be lawful but is not ethical in any circumstances.

    If May had not decided to hold the last GE, none of this would be happening.
     
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