Having test ridden a Panigale it's an amazing power delivery, and yes I know this is not the same engine...
Also worth remembering (for those just trying to compare HP) that they now have to build this engine for Euro 5 upwards! Tighter and tighter restrictions. So you just can’t blast the manufacturer for it
I am always very skeptical when manufactures show in gear rear wheel torque graph comparisons, as it can be very misleading. It is subject to final drive ratios (which will be very much in favor of the higher reving V4), I will only be interested when I see a crankshaft output comparison of the two (which I will bet they wont show). You can't get past the fact that the 1260 reduces 130 nm at 7500 and the V4 produces 125 nm at 8750
To create a motor that conforms to the Euro5 standard, producing 170 BHP from smaller displacement, in a lighter/more compact package (even if it's just 1.2 kg), while producing ample torque and on top of all that requires a valve clearance check no sooner than 60K km is nothing sort of astounding. Yes, we still don't know if that torque curves are similar to the 1260 (I doubt they are), yes the consumption has yet to be seen, yes the rest of the bike is yet to be seen but the motor specs sound astonishing. I just hope I don't see again a 20l tank and that there is an option with SSSA and 17" front wheel. A working back brake would also help me take the leap...
I do agree this 60,000 K valve clearance check is astounding and has removed the costly service issue in one go, however the power and torque figures of this 1158 V4 is really much the same as Aprilia's 1077 V4 Tuono (on paper at least) we really wont be able to understand just how strong this engine is until they release a proper torque curve graph Very curious to see what they do with final gearing, that will give us a good indication of just how strong Ducati feel this engine is
Wow I had not seen that graph, could you supply a link to that info as I cant find it (I'm getting old) Cancel that I just found it, thanks
After comparing that 1158 graph with the 1260 graph its clear that 1260 has a large torque advantage everywhere in fact the 1158 only starts to make more power once over 9500. No doubt gearing will mask some of this It must be said though that it's torque curve looks a lot better the the V4SF, I would say its roughly half way between the SFV4 and the 1260 Also noticeably stronger than Tuono 1100 V4 Note all graphs compared were manufactures supplied (crankshaft)
Anyone who buys a bike based on its spec on a piece of paper wants their head looking at. My feelings would always be based on what it feels like to ride.
Nothing wrong with it. I just hadn't seen it. Nevertheless, the torque is less almost everywhere. We'll have to ride one to decide if it feels like it or not. Gearing will be important.
All looks very interesting. Still on the fence though. The extended valve service intervals is a great step forward, if the engine actually proves reliable enough to manage that. Lets not forget the way their test riders on a few bikes is probably a lot different to what we will do with it (and probably a different shape / size to me too for a start ). For example, have they done the equivalent of a whole bunch of two up fully loaded blasts, or just solo riding... I've had 2 sets of barrels on pre-dvt 1200 MTS in the last 10 years (both due to broken piston crown or ring). These V4 engines are block configuration, so bores in the top crank case. I hate to think what that would cost if a ring lets go, probably a new engine. I really hope thats something they have improved. Slim profile light weight skirtless pistons are great for racing, not so great for a sports tourer though... Its already been said that the first bikes in the country will be full spec'd 'S' models (although there may be no such thing any more). Depending on the price I'm not sure I will do that, it depends on the cost of the packages / fully spec'd bike. I was told that there is a chance there will be a 'full power' model, possibly called Pikes Peak, but the name or colour scheme is not confirmed (due to what happened out there). It will have all the usual lightweight wheels etc though. What I want is a full powered bike, with 17" wheels but not lightweight ones, and possibly not all the toys. Oh, and lets not forget all the things like panniers(*), pannier mounts and top box mount are likely to be a new design, so thats another bunch of money to splash. (*) unless the enduro boxes fit, just needing new brackets. Its a tough one. I really hope it is a cracking bike, but keeping my 1200 Enduro for another year is looking more and more likely.
I wonder how many potential buyers might have been put off my desmo valves back in the day, as it was new technology?
I happened to be in a main dealer yesterday when the bulletin was sent, I got some info. £1000 added to current prices on multis. 3 versions, 2 with larger spoked wheels 1 with 17" rims (pikes peak).
Thanks M-H. That sort of matches what I've been told, the other being that there will be a base bike (or bikes), and you choose which packages you want, most of which will be factory fit, not dealer fit. The Pikes Peak option might be available from April-ish on, which will have less options to choose from (since it will have sport brakes and light weight wheels).
