Dear all, Does anyone have an idea which bike will be the best investment to buy at the moment? I've an option for an in nearly new condition Sport 1000S (2009) or a well maintained 888SP5 from 1993. I will occasionally drive the bike in nice wheather conditions. The asking price of the 888 is 28K and for the Sport 13K. I think the 888SP5 is on it's highest point right now for the future and the prices for the Sport will rise the coming years. But that's my opinion........
The best investments are when someone leaves you something of value in their will or perhaps you come across a very, very cheap vehicle or property for that matter that fills up the bank account. My personal choice would be the triple eight.
It really depends what you want from an investment, if you are looking for profit I would steer clear of vehicles. sweet talk your local Patek dealer and buy a Nautilus. You cant fail, if you get one
I think ‘investment’ is the wrong word. By the time you factor in servicing, insurance, consumables eg tyres, not to mention inflation, whilst, yes, you may be able to resell each bike in the future for what you paid for it (or more) but will you have actually made any money on it? It’s man maths to kid ourselves bikes are an investment, but we do it anyway. Personally I think the 888 is very toppy price wise. The Sport 1000 is perhaps the better bet.
I think you're right. I'm following the prices of the 888SP5 last years and from what I see that they're very difficult to sell. Also here in the Netherlands. I don't see the bike as an investment (like shares) but more from a side that the value isn't going down over a couple of years due to a lack of interest in that type of bike.
i made a v good return on my sport classic that i sold last year and had for couple of years. but think i was lucky then and prices have definitely dropped now. but all relative so depends on what you pay. but overall i reckon the days of making good money off bikes has gone and its only really limited stuff that will offer decent return. end of the day the future market (i.e. old blokes) is literally dying off
Dream killer here, investing in passion asset classes especially motorcycles isn't going to pay for a home in the sun. 10 year motorcycle CAGR is around 4-7%, a better performing class is rare whiskey (12-16%). Passion assets classes have cooled since the pandemic when many bored people lived on auction sites. Some motorcycles are at >50% discounts from the pandemic. That said, I'd buy a Desmosedici tomorrow at the right price and tell the mrs it is an investment, it worked for the others(ish).
Thanks to god ol’ Donnie the stock market has done well of late, gold also for those that got in early doors. Motorcycles are for fun and hobbyists
Hello. As Guillaume correctly said I have recently bought an 888 SP5 from within the UK, with the assistance of a trusted dealer, and am very pleased with what I now have. My personal view on price vs investment for bikes, is that I bought the bike I wanted to own and use, while I had the opportunity. As pointed out in the posts above, I am not depending on the bike offering an investment opportunity, especially when money spent during ownership is taken into account, but I hope to enjoy owning a special bike that has an element of rarity associated with it. During the time I was looking for candidate bikes, I looked mainly in the UK, but also in Europe, and quickly realised that the European options were generally priced significantly higher than examples in the UK, and would also incur post-Brexit import duty, VAT, transport and import agent costs. I see that you are in the Netherlands, and I negotiated about buying a bike from a dealer there. Unfortunately we couldn't agree on the terms of sale, and so I did not go ahead with the purchase. I assume that similar costs would be incurred if you were to buy a bike in the UK, to import to Netherlands? Having said that, there were bikes for sale in the UK that are/were under £20k, and others that were nearer to £30k, depending on originality, condition and whether through a private or dealer seller. I believe that some of the UK bikes at the lower price levels may still be available for sale, assuming they have not sold in the interim. In my experience, the most important problem was in ensuring the bike offered for sale was actually what it was advertised to be, and an important part of that is confirming the Frame/VIN and engine numbers are correct, and in the correct factory format, unless there is an explanation for them being otherwise. Also, as has been covered in other threads on the forums, checking for known issues that may affect these models over time and use is important. Another point to bear in mind, is that the VIN and engine numbers of a bike can only be verified by an authorised Ducati dealer or DMH in Italy, but for the latter they normally require proof of ownership, so that would be after a purchase, unless the owner already has reliable verification. If you decide to buy a more modern bike, that should have a Certificate of Conformity that matches the bike documents and service history, which should help make verification of the bike somewhat easier; assuming that a modern bike is what you really want! I wish you well with your search for a bike, and I hope the points mentioned here help. Good luck. Tom.
Thank you for your input Tom @RTD and nice to read you're sorted out for the SP5! You're right regarding the prices here in Europe, especially in the Netherlands now. Currently there are 4 SP'5's for sale. Three of them are far above the 30K and one around 26K. I'm aware of the issues with engine numbers in combination with the frame number. Did you have contact with Remco from Motorhuis Zwolle or Starttwin in Loenen for an SP5 in the Netherlands?
Hello. As I recall, I contacted a number of Ducati dealers in Holland, and also non-main dealers if they were advertising an 888 SP5, mainly on https://www.marktplaats.nl/ . StarTwins have provided advice on parts, and I found the people very helpful, particularly for international shipping; which probably won't apply to you. It is worth knowing that 888 SP5 bikes were among those potentially affected by crankcase and swingarm cracking, often affecting bikes used at high revs and particularly for racing or track days. It is advisable to check any bikes of interest, to ensure that they are not affected in this way. The solution to crankcase cracking, if repair was not an option, was to replace them with new/improved or unaffected compatible used cases. While the issue of cracking was resolved by fitting replacement cases, a separate issue of mismatched engine numbers could result, leading to verification problems if help from DMH was needed. It was generally advised at the time, that the matching damaged cases should be retained with the bike, so that provenance was not compromised if verification was needed subsequently. The factory headstock Frame/VIN and original engine number were stamped with a Dot-matrix based font, which should still be present on bikes retaining the factory stamping, helping with verification. I hope this helps. Tom.