Van Hierarchy

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by PerryL, Feb 28, 2026 at 9:25 PM.

  1. Hmmm…. :thinkingface: We’ve heard all this impressive range stuff before. It’s always debunked when faced with real world conditions.

    When an EV tractor can plough a field for 12 hours (like a conventional John Deere can) I’ll be impressed. The battery age will have arrived. I give the tractor-plough example due to huge torque (current with EV) output.

    Trucks up and down the A1 are diesel. Because an EV trucks range is shite. Ships- diesel. A ships engine is ~12k horsepower. There would be no room for cargo if they had batteries fitted. And they’d probably sink… :D
     
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  2. I'm interested to now how a 4x4 ev would work for people who drive them off road most of the time. How do you calculate remaining battery life? Range in miles becomes meaningless and even if you knew when it was going to go flat your nav would not be able to calculate where and how far away the nearest chargepoint was nor whether you'd be able to make it there. It is notoriously difficult to find a charge point on the moors when you're three miles from the nearest road.
    And that's before you consider the off-road capability of a vehicle that weighs about 3 tons.
     
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  3. I dont know how much this might have been improved by refinement over the past few years but the power density of battery technology is about 2% that of petrol. Even if it has doubled that is still piss poor compared to internal combustion.
    Therefore range and the ability to do large heavy practical work, like the John Deere example, is always going to be an issue. Its physics innit
     
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  4. Yep, and you can’t beat two jerrycans full of motion lotion when out the back of beyond.

    I totally get that EVs can work for folks but it’s a narrowed application.
     
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  5. As a farmer I use tonnes of the stuff. What gets my goat is the fact that we too fall into this clean air bullshit and have to have catalysts and add blue on the tractors!
     
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  6. And the thing is the air’s never been cleaner. The Smoke wasn’t called The Smoke for nothing. It’s all about control.
     
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  7. Both my mum and dad told me stories about having to get off busses going to/from work as the smog was so severe the driver couldn’t see where he was going and wasn’t able to continue. As a result all the passengers had to walk.
    My auntie as a young woman worked for a time in Courtaulds chemicals. The acid rain that fell when it rained was strong enough to melt the ladies tights!
    Seems we have it good by comparison.
     
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  8. Was this in the Manchester area? The term "acid rain" doesn't get banded around much these days. Then again, Courtaulds closed down!
     
  9. Looks like you created a thread gone totally off topic PerryL. Well done!
     
  10. We absolutely do. Not that our illustrious leaders will ever admit it.

    I’m only 61 and even I can remember the streets reeking of coal fires throughout the winter. Not the worst smell tbf… :D
     
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  11. Trafford Park in the 50’s and Courtalds Holywell, North Wales, probably around the same time.
     
  12. We are so lucky to not have lived in that level of pollution. I do remember clearly as a young kid the stench at Bridgewater on the family summer pilgrimage to Devon/ Cornwall. Recently I sold a bike to a guy from there and that cellophane factory is now all closed down. Guess what? It was owned by Courtaulds.
     
  13. Thank You.

    One tries!
     
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  14. A similar argument made for smoking in public places. If Im not allowed to keep poisoning the air for everyone else then the govt won't get the tax from my purchase of said poisonous noxious things.
    Your argument is equally spurious.
     
  15. I exempt farm vehicles from criticism. But if one moves on to the entirely different subject of global warming, cattle farming needs to be hugely reduced.
     
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  16. Is the same argument?

    Smoking for fun/ recreation and the increase in cost of personal transport which disproportionately affects the poorer people?

    Meanwhile no effort is made to reduce emissions from marine shipping, or reduce air traffic miltary or civilian.
     
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  17. It's all bollocks. If you cram one thousand people per square mile into a small island and lead them to expect that they can live comfortable lives from feeble physical effort while living plugged in, logged-on centrally heated lives drinking lattes and vapourising on the internet, they're going to turn the air to filth and pollute the earth with steaming landfill. You can fit your best goofy teeath, virtue signal like a dad in a cardigan dancing at a wedding and off-shore the consequences to China or India (who will use the for proceeds to fund coal-fired industrial expansion) but you cannot square the circle.
     
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  18. Why?
     
  19. Any particular one :joy:
     
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  20. As already said, why?
     
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