In black: By AL; In blue: Possibly Bradders or messed around by Cranker; In red: By AL I have bugger all dive on mine, but my steering is much too fast.....so much that I have to pick up in most corners at speed. YOUR'E NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH That's bollox....it happens worse at high than low speed.... If the front end comes back too fast, then the rebound damping setting needs increasing. YOUR'E NOT FAT ENOUGH Says old Tubby who reckons Preload causes quick steering :wink: When a bike is in a corner, the front wheel is 'steered' in the opposite direction........dive doesn't cause that; geometry does...........PHYSICS CAUSES THAT - CENTRIFUGAL FORCE More bollox....and you are contradicting what you say next ...........a prime illustration is a speedway bike with bugger all suspension and no brakes; therefore no dive.......but it will drop into a corner a 'kin sight faster than a race bike.....note which way the front wheel points as well............ GEOMETRY DOES THAT - But you said earlier that Dive causes it; and I said it was geometry....see the point I made above AND A BIG SET OFF BALLS Well mine must be huge then, because I used to do a bit of grasstrack...... ...........of course that is also helped by the rider pushing the bars in the opposite direction of the bend..............just like what we used to do as kids with our cowhorn handlebars on our push bikes, again with no suspension and no dive...... PHYSICS CAUSES THAT - CENTRIFUGAL FORCE Again that's the third time you have contradicted yourself... Try it on your road bike and see what I mean.......On a straight road and no traffic, just push the handlebars a bit** and feel the bike start to drop over in the opposite direction...............**but only a little bit.....!! COUNTER-STEERING AS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT I SEEM TO RECALL Riding a bike and knowing how it works is what I call it.....
firstly it was Cranker who amended the stuff so keep yer insults to yourself...secondly I know all about counter steering, ask anyone who's raced with me or watched me...and thirdly it is harder to turn at speed than a slow speed so you need to go faster, and lastly basic dive by its nature changes how the bike is sitting so must affect its turn in. This is how I learned that... Funny that at Brands a couple of years ago, having had a a crack closed season at changing suspension, I couldnt get a line thru clearways without running wide and had about the limit of front dropped already, so someone who knows what he's talking about (unlike you I think ;-) ) took some spacer out as the forks were none adjustable, meaning the bike sat further down (more sag) than before: result, low and behold, it held a line. edited to add they are all interlinked. If you want to to turn quick. hold a line, be stable, etc etc its a combination of suspension and geometry that does that
It was, after all, fairly obvious who p*ssed around with it........because not so long ago on another post, I recall you Bradders saying "Don't ask me, I don't know how they work, I only ride them".............and that comment makes it quite hard to believe that you do know..... ........particularly as you only do track days.....:wink: I might take notice of you if you had some trophies for real racing..... PS....You were lucky by removing the spacers......what you should have done is change the front tyre profile or raised the rear..........
It was obvious, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.........but I just wanted to show what an arse some people can be (excluding me of course).......
Now, again as i understand it, as the forks dive on braking it changes the geometry of the front of the bike making turn in easier.
Well, as Bradders appears to know all the answers, f*** knows why he asked the question in the first place.......:wink:
Diving also makes the rear come up which changes the geometry..................Unfortunately 'dive' is unpredictable if steering is relying on braking.............usually why the front end goes away I reckon.... AL
I have a few trophies as it happens, not many but all first place :wink: And but for a habit of hospital food reckon I would have had quite a few more. And I am fairly self effacing...tbh I know a bit, more than I did not as much as I could, but don't go round hurling insults at others. Simple really. And I understand the mechanics of riding a bike and how it turns. Because I assume I know nothing and ask people who do knwo. Try it, it works
And...I think you will find my question was about whether + rebound made it return faster or slower not what you are talking about
Bradders..........I would give up riding a bike if I were you.........in fact I wouldn't get out of bed, if you think what I was saying was 'hurling an insult'.......... ...........you know as well as I do, I'm a fairly decent type so you ought to be able to take what I say with a pinch of salt......even if there was some sense included
Surely the rear rising and the front diving goes without saying unless the bike is hinged in the middle.
I used to be a neighbour of Clive Noy who not only rode grasstrack and speedway, but also built the bikes, so I got to try a few out..... And as an aside, a next door neighbour of my grandmother was Mike Fiddaman, sidecar racer and outfit builder...........maybe that's where my interest in sidecars came from..... ...not much dive on them..................it's either the driver wrenching the handlebars round or the passenger lifting off the rear wheel to get it to spin 180 degrees... AL
