Indeed. People who commit very serious crimes like murder rarely keep video recordings. Oddly enough, there really are a few muggers, thieves and rapists who do keep video records of their offences making it easier to convict them later - see YouTube. As noted in the thread about "Plebgate" some police officers who must know they are being recorded nevertheless seem to tell stories which are proved false by the record, and some soldiers do the same.
No how would they know?…………….perhaps they should of gone into that meeting thinking slimy basted MP cant trust him any further than you can throw him, will look to stitch us up here and secretly record the conversation, ……..you know in line with PACE and RIPA and so on or not as it was……but they were stupid enough not to, idiots….!! i bet the slimy MP would of gone out of tree along with all his mates if the cops on the gates had secretly recorded him………….
Anyone on here go full chat past speed cameras and expect not to get booked ?? In the "good old days" with no cameras I expect lots of this would happen given the marines reputation for getting things done. Are helmet cams compulsory now ??
Depends on the motive for recording surely. Would an undercover cop tell the perps they are being recorded? Back on thread. I am sure there will be good reasons for recording on frontline, enemy position, reporting back live etc, but the cynic in me says its more to do with tracking and policing our forces than helping them, plus its great rolling 24/7 newsreel stuff Guilty in a court from thousands of miles away...but guilty in the context of war? And the Bin Laden point is another; funny how those marines weren't charged with murder..
What a bizarre post! The police officers manning the gates at Downing Street must have known there were CCTV cameras recording images, and yet they gave accounts of what happened which were totally at odds with what the recordings showed. And you say "How would they know?"
British soldiers are employed to apply extreme and lethal violence against enemy forces in a disciplined way, in pursuance of British government policy. The "context of war" does not give, and never has given, soldiers a general license to murder anything that moves. All soldiers are told very clearly that when they have under their control enemy prisoners and/or severely wounded personnel, they are not to be shot dead out of hand. Soldier A knew this very well, as his remarks reveal.
Soldiers A to F were granted anonymity during the trial. A has been convicted, and all the others acquitted. The JAG, Judge Blackett, has now ordered that the anonymity be lifted - but he has also kept it in place temporarily so that the defendants can appeal to the Court of Appeal (CMAC) against the lifting of anonymity if they wish. Here is a link to the judgment: http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resourc...nts/r-v-marines-a-b-c-ruling-on-anonymity.pdf
I have no doubt a lot of trophy video's and photo's are taken by the guys at the sharp end. Although this was an offically issued camera there is no reason for anyone other than him to be in posession of the footage afterwards. Assuming "trophy" is the reason it wasn't deleted. Personally, i don't care if bad people get a raw deal and never make it to any kind of hospital and i will not criticise the marine for anything other than very poor judgement and concealment afterwards.
i expect you were at uni with them….. you know i agree with a lot of what you say here, including the above two posts…….. however cctv at downing street……..so are we really clear on exactly what the mp said as he left at the gates………no and never will be because he has never said, although he has said a lot of what he didn't say…funny that the cctv has never broken cover to clarify this?….. cold blooded murder is exactly what this was and stupidly recorded for posterity……..
The CCTV at Downing Street does not show the exact words spoken by the MP. But it does show many details such as how long the exchange between the MP and the policemen took, their positions, how many words were spoken, what other witnesses there were nearby, etc. The account of the exchange given by the policemen differed in many particulars from reality as shown by the CCTV recording - which they must have known about, as I said.
In war its a fine line between 'killing' and 'murder'...you shoot a man and he survives you take him prisoner, if someone raises their hands you take them prisoner..if they then pull out a grenade with their dying breath and you extinguish them before they pull the pun, are you technically a murderer? I'll reiterate, due to our code of ethics, we've got ourselves over a barrel. These scum are laughing at us and our moral dilemmas...they have no such difficulties...simply, kill the Kafirs... Its simply not a level playing field so to speak. I'll wager that many of our vets and war dead from WW1 & 2 were involved in some fairly primitive killings..and were also on the receiving end... It certainly does not make it right or moral, but these soldiers are dealing with people that will happily hack their heads off... "Love thine enemy"..i dont think so... As i said, i dont agree with the manner in which the insurgent was killed..perhaps if he had been left for another 5 minutes nature would have done the job...but does anyone honestly think that the enemy would give a second thought about the murder, rape or beheading of one of our soldiers? Do you think that they would have an inquest. Troops are pawns in a game played by men in suits sitting comfy leather chairs....they also pay the price for any political fall out...Now this soldier, who was a fool, will lose 10 years of his life because of his inappropriate use of lethal violence. These Taliban scumbags will be laughing at how stupid we all are, trying to set an example to the world when it wont make a blind bit of difference. We're shit scared of muslims in the UK....and this soldier is paying the price of Muslim appeasement....The religion of peace will murder with impunity for an offence as trivial as drawing a cartoon, so this is what we have been reduced to... In the middle east, because of their religious illness, life is cheap...I respect human life, but i would not be naive enough to think that the enemy has my ethics. "Love thine enemy"? No.
Sat in the comfort of my lounge, its easy to say we should be bang on the rules and 100% comply even in the toughest of situations. We are not the ones who wander past a stake with their mates head on it, and are meant to remain civil, impassive and 'civilised' in the face of the enemy mocking us and our dead Murder in the context of Marine A and his buddies weren't at risk of that geezer killing them right then? Yes. Murder in the context that given a inch of opportunity he would murder them even from his deathbed while they tried to help him? No so sure..
Of course it's not a level playing field - if it were, there would be no need to fight the war. On our side we have civilisation, human reason, the rule of law, and the rights of man. We also have lots of planes, tanks, helicopters, rockets, and drones. And money. In contrast, all the Taliban have is brutal savagery, fanatical ignorance, unreason, and willingness to die. To me the astonishing thing is that some people, supposedly on our side, seem to regret that we do not display the same brutal savagery etc. as the Taliban do.
This is part of the deal when you join one of the Armed Forces.You can end up putting your life on the line.
Agree 100% Matt . Can't see how you can be pulled up for saying you'd do the same , he was already dead lol. I don't give a flying who thinks its murder , these bastards deserve all they get, I don't see the scum who were filmed killing Lee Rigby being hung at dawn by outraged Muslims . If you want to live by the sword , die by it , you people want someone else to do the dying but only if it leaves you feeling it's all above board, it's a dirty fucking guerrilla warfare over there. i'll turn a blind eye to any of our troops killing a combatant and taking them out of the equation.
We have civilisation, human reason, the rule of law and the rights of man because we fought for those rights against internal and external oppression. As we have become increasingly secular we have become increasingly moral. This of course is juxtaposed to the 'morality' of our religiously fanatical enemy. Our big tanks and bombs are as a consequence of our science (and politcal and economic will of course)... Without drifting into another topic about the legitimacy of having troops in that part of the world, it's all very well that we take the moral high ground, but the fact remains that this soldier is in my opinion being sentenced in part, to appease muslims, because we are scared of them. We are also trying to set an example as to the cleanliness of our warfare... If the enemy had the big bombs and planes and tanks, we would be in a global war make no mistake...and a holy war..this would be very real. The only reason they arent dropping nukes on our heads is because they are uneducated, poor and illiterate, thanks to their religious zeal, barbaric treatment of one another and their women folk in praise of their loving sky wizard. The taliban cannot be reasoned with and our sense of morality has tied our hands. Rather like the fact that a serial killer may have been a victim of abuse all of his life..he is a victim, but he must still be removed from society...he cannot reasoned with, re educated, trusted. We are dealing with tribal barbarism, so our rules of engagement mean little or nothing...they strap bombs to children, yet we are to afford them right that they do not afford one another... In many ways i pity them, because they are so brainwashed, but they are too dangerous. given the chance, they will rejoice in the destruction of the world, as it teaches in their holy text..it is no less than their global mission, and to live forever in paradise.... Sorry, but like i said, what the soldier did was wrong but if the situation was reversed, his severed head would have been on a spike.
i thought you were going to tell me he was going to say exactly what he DID say…..i thought they might haul him before a committee of amateurs and get them to tell him to say exactly what he did say…………oh no that'll never happen... reality…………my arse.
