Whether underpaid generally or not is not the question. Its whether at a time when most are being pinched auto payscale increases are still applied. BTW if I do a poor job I get sacked. Simple. No appeal, no 'but I've been here 10 years' and a 1% contributory pensions scheme says it all. Oh and NHS also pay students for their degree courses still, the whole lot apparemtly..with no certainty or assurance they practice in UK or nHS afterwards...wonder where that money comes from...
stu - clear job change and therefore clear reasons to pay more as its more skilled etc. Parts of the NHS are still the last bits of the old guard, police, fore servcie, forces have all made some big chnages which dont seem to have filtered to many parts of NHS. But I accept I'm talking from a position of ignorance, I don't work in the industry, I don't have close rellies that do and what i know is pub talk, media and the occasional wiki search ;-) but at least I'm honest about that... At a recent finance talk for my sons uni application, there was a lot of points made which were forces are free, but you have to do 7 years, and NHS sponsor midwives and some other areas (not Dr's funny enough) and will pay all fees and top up living expense too. And at the end you could up sticks and head anywhere you like debt free. it is harder to get on a mid-wifery course than a legal or medical one...I wonder why..
Hee,the reply timings have got us all somewhat out of context dont you think .:smile: If NHS staff do a poor job,they will be not only be sacked,but also lose their registration and spend the rest of their lives knowing that they have put a patient at best at risk or at worse,well I'm sure that I dont have to define that.
(1) My racing buddy retired from the Met last year after doing his 25?/whatever years.He was a Sergeant nearly all the time I'd known him,(since about 1987).Few months before his retirement,he got bumped to "Acting Inspector".He freely admits this was only done in order to enhance his ,(final salary),pension.... (2) My best buddy took voluntary redundancy from the Prison Service,after 20 years...(remember that word,"voluntary).As he went out the door,he was told that in five years he would get a £30k 25 years service gratuity,because it wasn't fair he should lose it by taking early redundancy...even he was bemused.And he gets to draw his pension at 55.... (3) I had an X-ray at our local hospital last year.They rang at 17.00 to say they'd had a cancellation,and would I like to attend two weeks earlier than planned.I was most impressed,raced over there,ushered in to a department filled with the most up-to-date equipment monet could buy...all kinds of scanners/X-ray machines you name it. I told the lone Radiographer how impressed I was,where are taxes were being spent etc.He then told me he was actually the A+E Radiographer from another department,working overtime because the staff in proper Radiography department had historically refused to work outside 8.30-5.30 weekdays,and no one in management could force a change.So all that incredible equipment stands idle most of the time unless other department staff work overtime.As he put it,people are dying because they can't get scans/X-rays etc needed for early diagnosis.... You won't get much of that outside of the Public sector
(1) My racing buddy retired from the Met last year after doing his 25?/whatever years.He was a Sergeant nearly all the time I'd known him,(since about 1987).Few months before his retirement,he got bumped to "Acting Inspector".He freely admits this was only done in order to enhance his ,(final salary),pension.... (2) My best buddy took voluntary redundancy from the Prison Service,after 20 years...(remember that word,"voluntary).As he went out the door,he was told that in five years he would get a £30k 25 years service gratuity,because it wasn't fair he should lose it by taking early redundancy...even he was bemused.And he gets to draw his pension at 55.... (3) I had an X-ray at our local hospital last year.They rang at 17.00 to say they'd had a cancellation,and would I like to attend two weeks earlier than planned.I was most impressed,raced over there,ushered in to a department filled with the most up-to-date equipment money could buy...all kinds of scanners/X-ray machines you name it. I told the lone Radiographer how impressed I was,where are taxes were being spent etc.He then told me he was actually the A+E Radiographer from another department,working overtime because the staff in proper Radiography department had historically refused to work outside 8.30-5.30 weekdays,and no one in management could force a change.So all that incredible equipment stands idle most of the time unless other department staff work overtime.As he put it,people are dying because they can't get scans/X-rays etc needed for early diagnosis.... You won't get much of that outside of the Public sector
Tell that to the relatives who live near Stoke. No one there been sacked, and I've met plenty in the profession who couldnt give a flying wotsit for patients, and it doesn't take much research to find the same as bent coppers, murdering soldiers, thieving bankers and corrupt polouticians. Doesn't change my point; people are not getting raises generally, have had an erosion of their terms and rights and yet the NHS has thus far been a little ringgenced. Not decrying the work they do, not saying they don't deserve what they get (nurses, esp A&E should be paid far more than they are imho, and administrators and managers far less) not that I was extremely thankful of the wonderful people who kept my son alive when he was born early and stopped my wife pegging it after in ICU. Although Bangor hospital wasn't the best ;-)
Yes you would, try bupa, you'd have been in sooner, in nicer surroundings and probably cost less in real terms
nah you are probably correct……..ffs where have you been? David Cameron: shamed bankers must not get pay-offs - Telegraph Co-op bankers shared £1m payoff as capital hole loomed - Telegraph HBOS chief gives up £1m payoff for basic redundancy of £2,970 | Business | The Guardian
I've no doubt there are plenty of examples of people at the top getting more than their fair share,but I don't believe anything I read in the papers.You can choose to believe what you read if you like,but whats printed is designed to sensationalise,rarely the truth,if ever. What I've stated can actually be verified,I can introduce you to the people concerned,or I experienced it myself.And these guys are footsoldiers,so these rules/bonuses will probably apply to a lot of them. What you have convenientlyforgotten is that Customers of the companies you mention have a choice:they can choose to continue to continue being a customer or not. The taxpayer cannot choose whether to pay unjustifiable bonuses to Public Sector workers,or insist that NHS assets are used to the full.The Public Sector,(in some cases) are a law unto themselves,deciding how much of the taxpayers money they will award themselves,and what they will and won't do at work. I've been around a lot longer than you,methinks,and I'm not blind to reality
Exactly the same thing happened where I used to be employed (wont say worked). Trusty old retainer of of a storeman, been in post (same position) for all his working life, suddenly, close to retirement, promoted , but in title and salary band only, no extra responsibilities, simply to bump his pension up. As a tax payer I'm delighted this sort of thing goes on.
No, I wont have it! Public servants are all hard working and deserve twice what they get paid and all those extra salary band increases and 2/3 final salary pensions based on and average of the last 2 years working salary...but then so do politicians who do one terms in office and get guilt edged for life benefits...its what I pay 41% of what i earn for
Unfortunately, in the UK, there is an almost religious belief that making a profit out of healthcare is wicked, but what people forget when they express horror at any "priivatisation" of any aspect of the NHS is that a business, because it needs to make a profit (otherwise it would evebtually fail) will tend to use its assets reasonably efficiently. If you have to visit anyone in hospital at a weekend it's worrying to see how little seems to be going on. A factory that has really expensive production equipment will usually be run on a shift basis. When it comes to radiography, clearly the NHS has to provide an element of round-the-clock cover for A&E, but in this country we do have longer queues for techniques like CT and MRI than is often the case in other countries where there is more private provision (but still publicly funded - I'm thinking Europe more than the US). Unfortunately the private health sector we do have in the UK is mainly in the business of providing a kind of "luxury" service, so they charge a lot more for something like an MRI scan than would be the norm in other countries (I have at least one relative who has paid for CT scan investigation elsewhere in Europe and been pleasantly surprised at how reasonable the cost was - being given all the images on a CD was a nice touch too).
