Blackouts Or Worse?

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Kirky, Oct 6, 2014.

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  1. Yes fully confident

    22.2%
  2. Somewhat concerned

    25.9%
  3. I'm investing in candles now

    44.4%
  4. I'm moving far away from the fall out (New Zealand)

    7.4%
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  1. now yer getting it.
     
  2. Less consumers is the answer.
    Birth control and enforced sterilization of chavs/pikeys and the French! :D
     
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  3. What will they do in the afternoon ;)
     
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  4. By proven technology I mean nuclear.
     
  5. Another 5mins thought. I'd put all the plant on land. Nothing at all in the sea. Except massive great tunnels bored through the bedrock underwater. Open to the sea at the wet end and capped at the dry end with a turbine. As the sea ebbs and flows the water in the tunnel will ebb and flow and create pressure. Please bare in mind ive only given this 5mins of thinking. What is exposed to the sea cannot be mechanical but only the natural bedrock that sea interacts with all the time. Something the diameter of the chunnel would do.
     
  6. the more energy you extract from the sea, the more the extraction device has to take...
     
  7. Tempting Nelson and probably politically more acceptable than a neutron bomb over the Middle East.
     
  8. You only need 1 mistake with nuclear (fission). Fuckishima and Chernobyl evidence that. Hence peoples reticence. Besides, would you like one next door? I'm happy for them to be build nr Oban.
     
  9. The tidal range over most of the UK is a few meters, hardly a massive energy well to tap into. Say the chunnel is 30m in diameter and the tidal range is 4m then calculate the energy. It's hardly going to set the earth on fire is it ?
     
  10. So build them better.
     
  11. boots every now and then you show moments of genius.
    @johnv up shot to nuclear it only pollutes one (BIG)place i guess. and the technology must be mastered if only for defense. give me a motor or sail in every river or field any day.
     
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  12. I would agree, if ebola takes away 9 out of 10 people.
     
  13. The tidal range in the Severn Estuary is 15m! The proposed barrage (which would have generated enough carbon neutral power for the entire south west of England and south Wales) was turned down...
     
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  14. 2,826m3 of air displaced with the weight of the entire atlantic pushing it. I dont know the volume of the ocean to calculate the force and besides Im trying to build a thermal CFD model here. :)
     
  15. @johnv how can we introduce it to the big city's down south, say caterham surrey. for a start.
     
  16. Kennedy said they'd put a man on the moon. But they didn't know how to do it. However, it was a clearly defined objective, so they did it.

    Making renewable energy is not a clearly defined objective. The whole area is full of neinsagers telling you it can't be done (viz this thread). You have the Gov't who thinks there's a quick fix with fracking. You have the hugely powerful nuclear industry telling you it's nuclear. You have a whole heap of people who believe that manmade global warming is a fantasy so there is no point in tackling the problem in the first place. And finally, as far as the UK is concerned, you have the country's finest brains being employed by the financial industry because that is where the money is.

    It'll probably be a mix of a couple of solutions: a lot more individual projects (solar panels on your roof, for example) and some grid solutions. Solar paint has already been looked at and sounded encouraging. I don't know what's going on with this.
    The entire European solar panel-making business was bankrupted by cheap Chinese exports - proof that it's getting a lot cheaper.

    There really isn't any political will - politicians just parrot a bit about renewables to keep a part of their electorate quiet. But as they know that most of their electorate don't care, they just muddle on.

    What you want is a huge international project like CERN working on the thing. Then you'd soon find solutions.
     
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  17. Hey Fin, I programmed and tested the protection and control systems for Hunterston power station when I worked for the National Grid many years ago. I'm not worried though. :p
     
  18. i am now. ;):smile:
     
  19. a Programer logger mate of mine did a lot a it work for the Norwegian national grid bob watson the previously mentioned dumb ass. i would be very worried if i was them.
     
  20. I think you need to rethink that one boots.
     
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