^ ^ yes, no Loz - if things don't change then it's true to say they will stay as they are : ) what I also learnt from the first prog is that the thought-provoking one liner 'if a tree falls in a wood and no-one is around to hear it - does it make a sound?' was a variation/crib on an Einstein quote. Someone will be along to tell me that he based it on something he heard earlier etc etc
Lol delighted to say 'we dont know how it started' but not even consider the idea that is was a single event created by another 'force'. And no one has proved big bang btw, until we time travel no one can. We can theorise and assume based on tests we deisgn and an outcome we expect, and again assume the theory is why it hapnneded. Thats not fact people. Stick water in a freezer, it will become ice after a certain time at a certain temp. That is a fact. Before something there was nothing, and that nithing created something when it went boom. Is not fact. For hypocrisy and blinkered self-centeredness theres Ducati Forum - Welcome to Ducati Forum. The UK's best website for all things Ducati. for everything else, there is Mastercard I think its great that peolpe can make a craeer of sutidying something, writng books about it and testing theories which actually dont do anything at all other than make those who feel they have superior intellect to understand it feel good. Its gobbledegook but hey. Keeps their grants coming in
I remember getting taught properties of water at college by that I mean all the phases (I was too stupid to make Uni) and water is pretty much unique to all the other elements in the way it behaves in all 3 phases. I do not remember it all but the expansion of ice is only one of many weird properties water has, its not the only one I have no clue if that is any smoking gun towards divine intervention or its merely another physical anomaly, water does obey the laws of physics for sure. It may be just another twist in the part of what, to me anyway, seems a highly improbable way that our existence came to be..........................it would be so much easier if there was somebody up there with DNA playdough, so much more convenient (and comforting). Because I have difficulty understanding what are observable and proven facts, might just be down to MY limitations the world and quantum physics may well be logical, but I am too stupid or have too limited a frame of reference to understand it. Try explaining Desmo valve gear to a fish
That is not how affirmation works! It is up to YOU to PROVE that God exists, not for anyone else to prove the God doesn't exist. You are that one that is repeating the same mantra over and over again that God exists, and yet you can offer no evidence what-so-ever to back up that assertion.
What about this. Our impermanence on this planet, universe, gives us a reason for knowing and believing in the fact that we have a beginning and an end so everything we see and experience will have the same outcome, including the universe itself and so we try to find the very start and think we are witnessing the whole process moving toward whatever conclusion it may be. BUT: What if the Alpha and Omega reign supreme? There was, is no beginning and there is no end. Could it just be that our own mortality is our weakness and as a species just thrashing around for an answer to answer why we are here and more importantly where we are going?
On the Today programme in the morning on Radio 4, they have a "Thought for the Day". This is usually given by some church figure, imam, rabbi or someone. Many of these thoughts are quite uplifting, but I do take issue when they start talking about religion (which they don't always). The thoughts are then promulgations of myths viz "I take comfort knowing that I will be reunited with my mother with all her mathematic faculties restored" (that was part of today's). I don't mind the odd myth, but I don't see why these things should be proselytised in this fashion every morning on national radio. Today, we also had the Archbishop of Canterbury in Sierra Leone where he had gone to learn and boost the faith - ie a bit like a politician would go there. He informed us that he was touched by the love these people had for each other, despite the fact that they then interviewed an orphaned 16 year old girl who couldn't return to her village because the villagers were suspicious about ebola survivors. He felt the "spirit of Christ" everywhere. I was thinking, well, no you don't really, you just sort of think you do because you'd like to. i don't have anything against the Archbishop who I am sure is a top bloke. I'm just not that keen on the amount of airtime given over to religion. It just serves to promulgate the myths and lend them credence.
antoyne - ABSOLUTELY NOT ! I have never said that god exists. All I have said is that science cannot prove that he doesn't. I have no need at all to prove god exists - why would I need to?
I am not saying god does or does not exist - I'm saying that I accept it as a possibility - I have no need to prove anything. Pete is saying god does not exist. Now, I agree it's very hard to prove a negative, BUT scientists constantly say that we shouldn't accept anything as a fact unless it can be proved. YOU want to claim, absolutely, that god does not exist - then prove it !
And - have a go at explaining why ice expands as it gets colder instead of contracting... Not "how" but "why"...
So as I understand, in the beginning there was nothing. Then there was something. The question should surely be; why??
Well, before you do the "why" it's better to do the "how". That's pretty much where we are up to - trying to establish the "how". I wrote about this some time ago here: Why are we here? TED has the answer - The Glidd of Glood Blog
