Charlie Hebdo Atrocity

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Kirky, Jan 7, 2015.

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  1. In the editorial, they point out that those saying je suis charlie must also be secularists, as that is what charlie is, and it talk of amusement at the notre dam ringing bells when religion is what it strongly campaigns against, accoring to the report on r4 today
     
  2. I was thinking about this. It's going to be hard for them to be satirical, ie taking the piss out of the establishment when the establishment has just mobilised the whole of world opinion in their defence. I'm glad I'm not responsible for their editorial content.
     
  3. The guy who they interviewed, french fella I think was an employee, didnt seem exactlu thankful of the support tbh. But that could be lost in translation
     
  4. Charlie Hebdo staff are heroes. PM on the front again. Think about that when you criticise journalists, those of you who have the arduous duty of stacking shelves in Asda, and suchlike, for a living and feel the need to defend radical Islam against journalists' comments because you swallow the orthodox government line.
     
  5. They will find a way
     
  6. They'll vote for UKIP... :)
     
  7. you have a hell of a way of demeaning those that where starting to come round to your way of thinking.
    so where all agreed, radical islam sucks, what is the solution, coming from a village where the kids where sent to ether prod or catholic schools (i was sent off to private school) i remember thinking what a load of bollox,for all the reasons i have heard on here. yip even as a kid you can think this. Europe wide banning of all segregated schools? there's a good reason to stay in Europe.
     
  8. Good point.
     
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  9. Is that an insult or do you have inside information?
     
  10. If it's inside information I'd be fascinated to know exactly how many journalists working in the quality press, who must surely be among the most informed people in the country, because of the very nature of their work, are going to vote Ukip. Silly boy Pike.
     
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  11. This Muslim has a solution. The problem now is how to put it into action. Muslim mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb tells extremists who 'don't like freedom' to 'f*** off' - Europe - World - The Independent
     
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  12. I agree but it should be more widespread. Safety in numbers. But it's also easy to say if you're not I'm the firing line. If I had young children to support I doubt I'd be keen to be obliged to risk my life by my employer's decision. I could see lots of Health and Safety lawsuits it it all kicked off.
     
  13. Interestingly, how do the fanatics know that that's a cartoon of the PM? It could just be a generic Arab. He doesn't have the PM tattooed across his forehead as far as I can see.
     
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  14. Nice to see someone in a position of authority, and a muslim at that, express the exasperation that most of the continent must be feeling.

    However, there still isn't any solution other than continuing to stand up for egalitarian principles (Bravo again Charlie!) and prosecute those who commit crimes - for whatever motivation. I really wish every newspaper across Europe had published the latest Charlie cartoon, but equally, in a free and democratic environment you can only hope for and not demand such things.

    This could never happen in North Korea. But that does not make me want to go and live in North Korea.
     
  15. That's a massive assumption
     
  16. Getting rid of the Muslim faith schools (and all faith schools unless they can demonstrate at least 50% of pupils are not of the schools selected faith) would be a good start.

    I heard a moderate Muslim spokesperson say that these schools help to deliver our disenfranchised youths to the front door of ISIL.
     
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  17. No it's not. I've worked among them for thirty years. We are well informed because we have to be. It's the nature on the job. Ok, some of the information is more niche than others but the environment in which we work means that information flows freely and is discussed and kicked around constantly. We also have to research and read all of the time. I can't think of many jobs that would require one to be on top of so much general information as that of a news reporter, for example, as stories intertwine and affect each other. Take Charlie Hebdo, for example. It had so many strands. Religious extremism, political reaction, human suffering, security debates, immigration debates, international relations debates, free speech debates, the list goes on. It even sparked a debate amongst my EU-sceptic colleagues about whether we needed to stay in the EU in order to protect ourself from militant Islam. For example, banning Islamic education would be far more effective if the prohibition was Europe-wide. Each general news reporter assigned any of those individual strands would have to have some knowledge of all of the issues surrounding others to be able to do his job. Then, after that story has died down, he or she will be moved on the the next one. Could be anything from industrial action to the demise of a rail franchise, a murder, the birth of a prince or the death of an industrialist or film star. Then the research has to start again.
    And sub editors are responsible for checking the facts in all of those articles. So it would indeed be strange if, after doing that for all of their working lives, journalist were not among the best informed people around. Note that I only said AMONG please.
     
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  18. So news stories are not not skewed in any way?
     
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  19. Simple. They want to be offended. So by saying it's the prophet, they give themselves licence to be offended. If it was just A.N.Other Muslim, they couldn't be offended.

    Islam has a massive victimisation complex - that is what is really at the heart of the whole problem. It sees itself as put upon, reviled, ridiculed and generally treated as second class. Bearing in mind that a quarter of the world is Muslim (a worrying statistic is you ask me) and that the world's oil wealth, just to mention one asset, is overwhelmingly Muslim, I've never quite understood this mindset. But then I don't get the impression that Islam is a joyful religion. It seems entirely humourless and the moment fundamentalists take charge, singing, dancing, acting, painting, music are all stamped out. So what hope for stand-up comedy?
     
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