Oh and at 20k you do not qualify for many benefits, you will get tax credit & child benefit. Up until recently child allowance was for everyone with a child no matter how much a month they got.
TP has already mentioned that his employer is atypical. Not every employer is interested in that kind of employee development and the subset of those employers who will "develop" someone with 30 years experience, with salary to match, becomes vanishingly tiny. Employers will bring-on their young talent, earning less than 20K, in preference. What's stopping me is my ability to manage people is on a par with my ability to manipulate non-Euclidean geometry and spatial deformations in four dimensions - it's simply not in my skillset. I'm an appalling manager. I've seen people with no managerial ability who have received training in Management. They are, generally speaking, highly trained, useless fucks that are a waste of company money. Another thing stopping me is I simply have no time or energy for training. If I had time for training, I 'd be taking some of my accumulated annual leave, banked annual leave, brought forward annual leave and the flexi-credit mountain I have at the moment (oh, and perhaps then I wouldn't have to sell some of my annual leave back to the company). But mainly, I have no interest managing people. I could possibly try to push into Project Management but there my job security becomes problematical ... and if I lose my job, I will not get another one at my age and and at my current salary-point, no way José. Totally agree with this. I deserve recognition for my contribution to the company but I am not owed a King's Ransom for it. My only issue is with the frankly ludicrous suggestion that in today's Britain (or any Britain at any time for that matter), it is possible for anyone who wants to, to work their way into the big bucks if only they put some effort into it. That's hi-octane bullshit right there. You need a particular set of skills which includes playing people, fitting in with the bosses, a killer-instinct, a can-do attitude (as in, I can do kiss the bosses ass when required). And you need luck. And know the right people. And be in the right place at the right time. Or you need to be self-employed. And be lucky in terms of type of trade, location of business, etc. I sometimes feel like I have one foot in that camp too, Paul :wink: True story. Early in my career, I was a clerical assistant along with a pretty little girl called Caroline. Lovely girl, vivacious and staggeringly dumb. She made promotion to "Assistant Officer" before me, and then again to "Executive Officer". I remember her very well as I was the one who had to fix her flexi-sheets after her first few weeks. She couldn't work out why she owed the company so many hours - I set her straight by informing her that there are 60 minutes in an hour, not 100.
Thank fuck i'm a contractor. You lot are bringing back all the bad memories of working for bluechips............
At cranker lol shame I'm too lazy! Cant be arsed to answr the rest...meant to be a fun Ducati forum not the pub political bollox debates
Heh. My firm has had a big purge on outside contractors recently. More than one, actually They've put rules in place to re-deploy "excess staff" from other areas in preference to employing outside contractors. Then the Project Managers panic at the thought of people, unskilled in that area of work, coming in and kiboshing the job - so then, as if by magic - outside contractors! Risky game though, contracting. You can make silly money when you're working. Then the economy takes a dump and you are suddenly sur La Creek de la Merde sans paddle. Of course, much of my work is BAU - and a lot of that is placating the customer when Mr Contractor has come in, earned his £300 quid for a half-days work and then left a sodding warzone behind him. The microscope approach to work.
Paul, this is the Bollox Political Bar in the Fun Ducati Pub :biggrin: You go find your way now to the Tats and Piercing Bar
Ypu have got to be having a laugh. When I looked at flats in Battersea (not Notting Hill, not Chelsea, not Kensington, not Belgravia) they were about £1'300 a month (could have been £1'400) to rent with two bedrooms. Maybe not pokey, but by no means palatial. And no, you don't get a garage for that or even somewhere to put your bicycle. So you can add the tax/water/rates/food/insurance etc etc on to that. What if you'd like to have a kid or two? I am one of 4 kids. My old man worked as an electronic engineer for Oxford University. A steady job, probably almost unsackable but by no means cushy in pay terms. How you'd bring up 4 kids on that salary now God knows. (Answer - you don't unless your wife works. Then no one has any time for the kids.)
wanna bet? we've had vacancies in our office alone for 12 months solid (let alone the whole company). We had 10 interviewees booked the other week, and only three showed. We have even resorted to handing out fliers in the shopping centre inviting people to apply. This is a large PLC that has an excellent pay, career and benefit package - we literally cannot give jobs away. This is not just true of us either - the local Nissan dealership has had a huge sign outside it begging for sales staff for about 6 months. The problem lies when you hear someone say "i'm a bricklayer and i've been out of work for 5 years" no... you were a brick layer, it might be time to broaden the search. Higher up the rungs it does get a bit harder to find work - a £50,000 pa job is harder to find than £15,000 per annum job, but you know this when you get into that position, and have a larger contingency to suit as you should know that if you loose your job it may take 12 months or more to replace your income.
I could fix that problem in 5 seconds flat. Just put one ad in a newspaper in Spain - in English - and you'll have so many applicants you'll need to find extra staff to read the CVs. How difficult would that be? They are in the EU, you know.
Littlebert, interesting reply with the comparison of salaries. I'd definitely argue however that even 20,000£ per year is lucky, very few people I know started off on that salary. Most jobs nowadays offer a starting salary of between £16,000 and £18,000. £18,000 being very good, I actually have a few friends living and working in London earning just £16,000 with no pay rise after months of being there. They are barely surviving as after tax deductions they are left with just £1180 a month http://www.income-tax.co.uk/calculator/16000. Not sure if it's just me but I find that incredibly ridiculous, considering the average rent price in London in shared accommodation is at least £500 per month...
deffo, think i might have to put this one on ignore. dont want the lads getting a swatch. no need to put nasty thoughts in their heads.
