Health and Safty is as much about protecting the company as it is about protecting the individual, because accidents are very expensive. Another saying is "safety pays", ultimately it protects the bottom line.
A mill just ain't what it used to be. But for once 749er might be right. Damn, smilies aren't appearing in this browser, IE8, don't ask.
When were we ever discussing money? Money doesn't come into it. What I am discussing is custodial sentences, and to a lesser extent property theft by the state, for riding faster than a prescribed speed limit.
Yes, Switzerland groans under a tyrannical, authoritarian, undemocratic regime which imposes unreasonable laws on a subjugated people, doesn't it?
A traffic fatality costs a million quid. What a fantastic statistic. Tells you everything you need to know about the topic, except, oh, in terms of the actual costs involved. OK. Costs who a million quid? The NHS? Is this a pro rata assessment of cost, i.e. cost of resources in providing an A&E and follow-up services divided by the number of fatal incidents?* Cost to the insurance companies? Cost including funereal services? Cost including loss of earnings? Loss of taxes that would have been paid on said earnings? Cost that includes the effect that the loss of earnings and productivity has on the nation's GDP? Is there in fact anything useful about the statement, a road fatality costs £1m? * this features my favourite bit of arithmetic. If a service costs X and there are Y number of times it is used, the cost of each use is £X/Y. So, if we can only increase the number of times we use the service, e.g. the number of road fatalities, we can drive down the cost per incident! Result! Get crashing, people!
The other funny thing about that bullshit statistic is how nice and round it is. £1m. How convenient. But do you realise that that makes €1'372'000 or $1'490'440? Ha! Not so round now, eh?
Lets face it just a small shunt, no one hurt, they shut all roads, have 20 odd police there and god knows who else, it may cost a mill, but tbh it should only really cost a fraction of that if they did not over do everything 10 fold
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/358035/rrcgb2013-00.pdf Here is the actual data about the number of casualties in 2013. They are real. The alleged figures for the cost of each death are just made-up, based on vague assumptions and guesswork.
I have been discussing this with a car fan colleague who has a BMW Z4. People should know that Switzerland is now extremely unfriendly towards people who enjoy cars and bikes. There is a categorisation of a "délit de chauffard" (which roughly translates to "irresponsible road user") for people who exceed the speed limit by a significant margin. These margins are: 40 km/h in a 30 km/h zone 50 km/h in a 50 km/h limit 60 km/h on the open road (80 km/h national speed limit) 80 km/h on motorways (120 km/h) Any one of these infractions will get you a mandatory 2 year driving ban and may result in a jail term (though the latter appears to be discretionary). You will also get a monster fine, which varies according to your salary, but is designed to be extremely painful. So although you'd have to be doing more than 125 mph on the motorway to qualify for this sanction (quite easy to avoid), on the open road in the middle of the countryside and away from built-up areas, if you do 85 mph, you are severely doomed. The police frequently put speed traps in these areas. It is essentially the end of biking as we know it in Switzerland. Riding my 999 at 50 mph is agony. It's only really bearable for any time from about 120 kph onwards (75 mph). Who wants to risk having their life ruined any time they go out for a normal ride? Like I said "making progress" is a thing of the past here. Fuck.
looking quickly i cant see an average. don't we ALL love an average. (when it suites us) and yip glid, there must be other stuff that keeps you there because that is a total bummer.
Horrible. I was just beginning to like Switzerland, too, based upon Glidd's posts. I have now returned to my original thinking from a couple of years back, that Switzerland represents The Fourth Reich.
Been through Switzerland a few times 'making progress', looks like I wont be returning. (Didn't like St Moritz last year anyway) Fines I can handle but Gestapo type enforcement I cant. Just as well we didn't get stopped last year, could have been VERY expensive. France seems to be heading the same way with big fines and vehicle confiscation. Not sure about the custodial side of things though. Germany seems to be the land of the free in all of this, a bit surreal tbh. Too many countries seem to be hell bent on sucking the life out of everyone these days....
Think I'd sooner chop my knob off... No, I'd be off to Canada or NZ before I moved to Germany, although Bavaria is very nice, just full of Bavarians.
