Camera Expert Knowledge Required

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Ghost Rider, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. I have two Pentax SF7 and one virtually new Pentax MZ6 film cameras, plus a variety of Pentax lenses which are all interchangeable, between each camera.

    With the onslaught (which is what it was) of digital camera technology, I found it was no longer viable to use film cameras for my work.

    In fact, all I needed was to get reasonable quality images onto my PC quickly.......so a Lumix LZ10 has done that up until now.

    'Now' means it is bust, broken, not working, not fixable and is being consigned to the bin.

    I keep looking at all the Pentax stuff and the lenses thinking shall I sell them, but I know I will get sod all for them, probably not even enough to buy another LZ10 type shitty thing.

    So, I am aware that one range of the Pentax film camera lens mounts is supposed to work on some earlier Pentax digital camera bodies, although an allowance has to be made for something or other (F-knows what) so has anyone got any idea which Pentax bodies accept the lenses?

    If I could get a good secondhand one or even a new one at low cost, it might serve my purposes.

    Ta AL.
     
  2. Al I can't attach currently - I'll try when I get home but google " porters info centre digital cameras and imaging" . A PDF contains brand specific comments - old lenses and digital bodies. May help a bit.
     
  3. Porters. Com is the website.
     
  4. I cant tell you, (all my gear Canon) K mount comes to mind not sure though) although it would be easy to find out, but almost certainly you will be able to buy adapters.

    Question is how good are all your lenses, do you have loads, Big? are they worth building a system around them? digital bodies can bring out the worse in the lower quality lenses.

    Good Luck
     
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  5. Thanks..........I've already started Googling, but I don't mind admitting that a lot of is beyond my comprehension!

    The six lenses are all Pentax ranging from 27-90; 28-80; up to 80-320 IIRC plus there is an 08-300 Sigma.....from what I have established on Google all apparently are KAF mounts.

    Now off to look at Porter's!
     
  6. Your Pentax has the KAF lens mount. This is the Pentax K mount introduced in 1975 but updated to take autofocus lenses by adding six gold plated contacts. However, both your cameras will accept manual focus K mount lenses.

    In fact ALL Pentax DSLR's will accept your lenses but you will lose some functions. Try this website for further information.

    Pentax K-Mount Lenses Explained: The differences between various Pentax lens series

    Personally, I still use film cameras (Leica & Nikon) as digital, whilst it can compete on convenience) lacks the sheer beauty of film.
     
  7. I know sod all about Pentax Al ............Sorry

    All I was wanting to say is I have just been getting back into still photography after a big hiatus. Be aware that older lenses might not have the quality. I had an old Tamron (which back in the day was considered good glass) 35-210, on a film camera

    On the Fuji's I've got (cropped sensor or mirrorless is what they are called) the 50mm sizes go up by a factor of 1.5 so my Tamron became a 53-315, 50mm equivalent on the Fuji (I see @MaDProFF has already explained). I bought adapters but the lens is fully manual. It works quite well but the images from the Fuji lenses just blow it away in terms of clarity and color rendition.

    Just saying depending on how old the lenses are you might be disappointed with image quality. Don't want you to spend a shed load then find that you might have been better just starting afresh.

    If you can get to camera shop with a model in mind, take your lenses and take some test shots just to be sure.

    From what I've being seeing on the Fuji forum you can convert almost anything to anything these days, the only hassle is you may lose autofocus, or some exposure modes depending on what you mate to what.

    Depending on the size of the image you want, you can decide DSLR or Mirrorless. I like the mirrorless as they are about the size of a film SLR, but on the downside you do lose clarity. However Megapixels are not everything and a slightly smaller image is better than no image because DSLRs are such bloody great bricks if I had one I'd hardly take it anywhere

    Just my take on it
     
  8. Yes, K mount lenses can be used on Pentax digital SLRs but will almost certainly not 'talk' to the camera in the way a current lens would. You may well have to manually focus and set aperture. This sounds ok except that the camera won't be designed for manual focus and will not have an appropriate viewfinder with the focussing aids a manual focus camera has.

    it is almost certainly not worth the hassle. Decent digital cameras are cheap as chips these days and virtually fool-proof.
     
  9. Thanks for all the replies.......I have spoken with an independant dealer (not the Jessops of this world) who have advised me that the Pentax K10D and some other Pentax bodies will work fine with my lenses apart from a cropping effect, which means I just have to stand further away to get the picture than normal........although a 300 telephoto lens will have the same effect as a digital 460...........or summat like that!
     
  10. I tried using an old film-era lens on my Nikon D300s and the quality was dire...
    Hope you have better luck!
     
  11. Well, my lenses are proper Pentax, not Ricoh as they are now................Even my specs are made by Pentax now.

    I'm taking my stuff up to the dealer for some try outs...........but a used K10D body should give me better results than a replacement for the Lumix LZ10 at roughly the same cost.
     
  12. I used some of my Canon L Lenses on my old Film camera, and I was blown away by the quality of the Negs I got back, :)

    I have a few Manual focus lenses too, although not great for fast accurate focusing on the DSLR, but if you have time to manual focus, again great, I would have changed the VF screen, but never use manual focus to warrant it
     
  13. The main problem is that the 1.5x crop factor amplifies any deficiencies in the lens. The lens is casting a much bigger image at the sensor than the sensor uses - it just takes a chunk out of the middle, which is why you get an effective 1.5 times magnification over the same lens with a full-frame camera.
    My missus was using my superzoom APS-C lens and I wanted to photograph America's Cup cats in Plymouth, so I thought I'd just use a film superzoom instead. Was I disappointed - the results were truly awful. The lens was not a Nikon lens but it was always perfectly adequate with film. I suspect though, that you will not have the same problems with shorter lenses, I hope not.
    I have a Lumix TZ60 as a pocketable family holiday camera and the results from that are way, way better than from the D300s with the superzoom film lens.
    I suggest you take some shots with the Pentax DSLR with both your lenses and dedicated APS-C lenses and try to compare them on an ipad or laptop before you buy.
     
  14. Al to give you some idea of what I got with the Tamron vs Fuji here are 2 shots. Great pictures they are not just a comparison, the Fuji has been taken up +1 stop post as it was too dark but apart from that they are untouched. Fuji was 50mm equ 210mm Tamron 315mm. They are still underexposed but its just a comparison.

    Tamron

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    Fuji

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    Look at the University windows and the buildings in the foreground, it becomes worse when the image is larger

    Oh and some shots post process to show what can be achieved & more I'm not that good.

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    You can still see (probably more so) the difference in image quality

    The shots are here in Photobucket feel free to mooch around if you like

    Glasgow Photos by Old_Jock | Photobucket
     
    #15 Old Jock, Apr 10, 2015
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  15. It's much easier to see the differences on Photobucket than on here. The Tamron shot is a lot muddier.

    Your talk of 50mm equivalents is rather confusing though.

    On a 35mm (film-size) film camera, a standard lens which neither enlarges or reduces the image and gives normal perspective has a focal length of 50mm. Anything less is wide-angle and anything more is telephoto. This is why we talk about 50mm.
    Digital SLR direct equivalents to 35mm film cameras are known as full-frame cameras and also use a 50mmm focal length for their standard lenses.
    APS-C cameras have a smaller sensor and were all DSLRs until recently, when manufacturers started putting this size sensor in compact-style bodies. These bodies have no pentaprism and mirror to view the image with, they use a straight optical viewfinder or digital viewfinder instead. Hence the term 'mirrorless' They do have the relatively large APS-C sensor though and give great quality as a result. Some only have fixed zoom lenses like a compact but others are system cameras with a range of interchangeable lenses available.
    All APS-C cameras have a standard-lens focal-length of 35mm, so if you put a 50mmm lens on one of these, it is then a moderate telephoto, with a magnification factor of 1.5 times. This factor remains true throughout the range of focal lengths, so if you put a 200mm focal length lens on an APS-C camera, it will give the same magnification as a 300mm lens would on a full-frame digital camera or 35mm film camera. Again, the 35mm here refers to the size of the film.

    Hope this helps...
     
  16. Thanks Old Jock / Old Rider................unfortunately I'm technically ignorant about photography apart from using different exposure films, so regretfully a lot of figures and abbreviations go over my head, even if I look them up.

    However, I am a whizz with Photoshop used for the purposes of work on the photos I take.

    I just need a digital camera that did the same as my SF7 and MZ6, using the same lenses.........while I have them, knowing what their original costs were, I don't want to spend much on another.

    The LumixLZ10 was just about OK for quality, but what with all the soppy settings available..........LOL......

    The 'Original' pic below is four photos joined together.....The 'Proposed' pic is what I added......(Unfortunately the photos uploaded here arse about face).

    2) WATsaMcSIG.jpg

    1) WAT PANO .jpg
     
    #17 Ghost Rider, Apr 10, 2015
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  17. Yes you are quite correct I should have been saying 35mm equivalent or 135 to use the parlance, thanks for spelling it out
     
  18. Nice job... :)
     
  19. Thanks....that was a simple one......

    BTW....did you spot it was all done by hand?

    And....how do you think I make it fit the photo accurately?
     
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