Well what are peoples opinions of an ECU remap done on a dyno. I picked up my 1199s today after having custom remap done, I was handed the Dyno sheet and on paper it really doesn't look to impressive, a gain 5.5hp (will I notice that on the 1199) and a gain of 2.3 ft-lbs torque again would I notice ? Well I had a spirited ride home from picking the bike and 1st impressions is OH MY GOD. The torque is certainly noticeable, before the map it would deliver approx 84 ft-lbs of torque at 8,500 revs then drop off immediately before peaking again at 88 ft-lbs between 10,000 - 10,500 revs, now it peaks at 8,600 revs and keeps it there till it starts to drop off 10,000 revs and boy do you notice it. One other thing I noticed is my fuel consumption, the dash normally says 30 - 32 mpg avg consumption at roughly the same pace, where as today it was giving me a constant read out of 37.5 - 38.5 mpg All in all I'm a happy bunny, now all I need is the suspension to be a bit softer. So according to Ducati's specs the 1199 delivers 195 hp but this is at the fly wheel so what does that work out to at the rear wheel? My stats Stock exhaust stock ECU map rear wheel HP? Torque? Full Termi system with Ducati up map rear wheel HP 174.47 Torque 88.21 ft/lbs Full Termi system with Custom ECU map (Dynoed) rear wheel HP 179.91 Torque 90.57 ft/lbs
It's not just the increase in the amount of power or torque gained, but where it delivers it and the shape of the graph. Your read out suggest it was worth while, but just looking that he figures may suggest otherwise. I got my 848 done by Chris at CJS in Bristol. I'll be taking my next bike there too; what it may be...
Like I said the figures on paper were not impressive but riding the bike feels so different and I am well chuffed and money well spent, yes it gives a more constant delivery and a lot smoother, so is the throttle. I had mine done at Moto Rapido, had my 848 done there couple of months ago and my streetfighter will be going there to.
Worth it every time - removes all the holes in the power delivery that are required by the factory to pass tests. I had mine done (1199R) at Moto Rapido also, along with fitment of +300 headers, the difference is incredible and it takes a fair difference for me to notice. On my local track the speed on the straight was exactly the same for my BMW S1k (remapped and exhaust) and the Panigale before the remap (from data loggers not speedo), after the remap & exhaust the Panigale is 9mph faster than the BMW was. This is a huge difference. However the lap time is still slower than the BMW, I just need more time on the Pani (BMW sold) to get more from it.
Most manufacturers publish power and torque figures measured at the gearbox or crankshaft taken with the engine on a test stand and always under the most favourable conditions (altitude, temperature, atmospheric pressure, oil viscosity etc) to return the best possible figure. Typically the transmission and drive train will consume 10% of the power and torque produced at the crankshaft in getting it onto the tarmac. Light weight internals, wheels and final drive configuration will reduce the power loss, heavy components, wheels and shaft final drive may consume much more. So whatever the manufacturer's claimed figures for power and torque, expect roughly 10% less in real life when measured at the back tyre on a dyno. Conversely, when you have tuning work done, adding 10% to your rear wheel readout gives a ballpark figure for comparison with manufacturers published figures for rival machines.
I agree with @Gimlet post. And therefore we can use that knowledge to our advantage. Power is lost in the transmission system; so if you make transmission system lighter your sap less power. It takes less effort to push a mini than a jag - same with transmission. When I took my 848 to CJS he said it turned up with power that most 848s leave with. Lightweight forged wheel did that I believe... I did one read an article that a 520 chain set will loose 1-1.5 bhp less than a 525 chain. Makes sense to me...
well at 195hp according to stats minus 10% gives 175 hp, that was what mine was recirded with full system so it has to be less than that I would say.
Put more air pressure in your rear tyre and it will show more BHP on a Dyno. Oil your chain will also record higher BHP on a Dyno. But your engine is still putting out the same. Numbers don't really matter, before and after (mod) comparison runs show a true picture.
just get it dynoed at a ducati dealer............they can then apply the proper correction factor for the printout.......
That's true. Its the differences in shape of the before and after lines on the graph rather than the numbers that really matter. Where increases, even modest ones, occur, small dips that are filled out and where peak torque occurs relative to peak bhp. Small changes to the shape of power and torque curves can make a substantial difference felt at the seat of the pants dyno and corroborated by all you sophisticated Panigale dataloggers at the track. When you pick up your bike from the tuners, the numbers on the graph are of academic interest. For an indication of how the bike will ride, study the shape.
Chuck the printout away.Its only any good for when your down the pub,in a pissing contest.If the bike rides/feels/performs better then its job done.
