1198 Ride Height - What is standard?

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by simiansmythe, Sep 28, 2012.

  1. I have finally got round to measuring the rear ride height adjuster as mine has been lowered by the dealer for the previous owner but cant get a measurement as to what is standard. Could anybody confirm the distance between to top nuts on the actual adjuster near the shock as shown in the pic. Also what line are the front forks on? Mine is on the 5th and I mean the actual forks rather than the preload. Cheers.

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  2. The 1098 is 165mm eye to eye on the ride height adjuster on a standard setting, I'm guessing the 1198 is the same.

    The stock body length that you have indicated in your picture is 120mm.

    I can't help with the forks but, The length for your fork up is in the owners manual and it's measured from the bottom of the lower triple to the top of the fork.
     
  3. So, you are not measuring ride height there........just the length of your tie rod........
    There are other things to consider that effect the ride height not least chain adjustment as the position of the eccentric makes a big difference.
     
  4. Indeed the length of the rod is irrelevant as the position of the rear wheel will affect the height, especially if you have altered the gearing as the chain tensioner system also drops/raises the rear whilst moving back/forwards.

    When altering ride height you need to measure from centre of axle to a fixed point on the frame, adjust and then measure again for the change. There should also be a ride height measuring tool that you fix to the frame to measure to the hub/axle and this is the only way that you could compare/share the ride height with others in any meaningful way.
     
  5. Indeed that's how I set my ride height....I have the tool that bolts onto the foot peg bracket that you measure with from Dan Kyle Racing in America.

    But the OP just asked for the stock measurement from one lock nut to the other so I gave him the measurement.
     
  6. he actually asked "1198 Ride height - what is standard?" ......and the length of that tie rod is so variable.....to achieve the standard 1198 ride height!:upyeah:
     
  7. Andy,

    He asked that in the title and then asked the length of the stock adjuster nut to nut, which is the measurement I knew off the top of my head. I don't know the standard ride height of an 1198 and your lack of an answer suggests you don't either.

    I can't be arsed with you trying to be clever with me again, I gave a measurement as indicated by the OP's calliper, which is what the OP asked.

    I'd be greatful if you got your kicks trolling someone, somewhere else.
     
    #7 XxAnthxX, Sep 28, 2012
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  8. Reel yer neck in.

    the inference is, like most unqualified people on these web sites, talking about ride height, and like most people on these web sites are confusing it with the ride height adjuster, thats my point. So rather than just giving him a vague number for something that adjusts a ride height but isnt actually the correct way to record/call/ refer to as ride height, it is worth explaining the correct way to do it.

    And in any case the 'std' way of measuring the bike as per the handbook talks about value H a measurement from the rear reflector to the floor. fyi

    Factual not trolling.
     
    #8 andyb, Sep 28, 2012
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  9. Grow up......

    The keyboard warrior in you returns again!

    As before....

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    Byee
     
  10. its not about growing up....its about giving correct information.

    Hmm trolling, almost as painful as the ones that sit there as the internet hierarchy overseeing from the, i'm the mature sensible overriding position...usually followed by the 'this is the last thing im saying on this' statement...
    internet wonderful thing.

    Byee
     
  11. To be honest the description is mis leading to start with as the distance between the 2 nuts is a constant whatever the ride height or rod end adjustment unless it's a non standard rod (which it appears not to be)

    But the inference i got was that he wanted a standard rod length eye to eye as a starting point for ride height.
     
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  12. Quite right the lock nuts lock to the rod and the eyes are threaded, I've measured many many 848s and 1098s etc and they all vary to a degree and I'm talking about new ones not secondhand, also when you talk to racers about geom of this model Ducati no one seems to know what they are running, only that what they are using works for them but they have no base reading and no reading of where they are now....lol I spent ages with my TTX, ride height rod, and FGRT forks finding a base setting from the many new Ducatis I measured up to get mine at a base setting but I recorded my own geom data before I made any changes and after fitting my shock and forks it turn out my data was of use as I was only 1 or 2mm out from stock-ish geom.. So in short most will not know what geom they are running and unless people use the same tools to record it all the data on the net is worthless, even subframe reference points vary wildly.
     
    #12 arthurbikemad, Sep 28, 2012
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  13. OOPs, didnt realise that a relatively simple question could incur WW3 !! Guys please chill !. I will try and clarify my original question. As mentioned my bike has been lowered (at least that is what the supplying dealer did for the original buyer and yes I know this could have changed) so I am thinking about putting it back to standard. I am looking for the standard ride height (I now realise that my picture shows a constant measurement so thanks for pointing that out) ie a point from the floor to a fixed point on the bike ie bottom of number plate hanger (assuming a standard hanger as shown in the owners manual but no measurement !!) or between the rear axle and a pillion footrest. If anybody has a standard setup on their 1198 would you be so kind as to forward a measurement and where it is measured from/to. Also the front again any two fixed points so lines on the forks or bottom yoke to top of forks etc. Thanks and hopefully this wont cause any more arguments !
     
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  14. I dont see anyone arguing just want you to get the best advise for setting your bike up.

    Wheres your nearest dealer, i bet it wouldnt be too much money to get it set up for you, not just std numbers if thats what you want, but get the sag set for you and your requirements too at the same time.
     
  15. Can you get to a dealer, only then you can correct it side by side, it's hard to get a measurement any other way IMO. I'd help but my 848 is hard to get ref points that match a 1198 as wheel nut size etc that I norm use as bottom ref point are not the same..



    edit, late post....after your q.
     
  16. A little update, seen my mate with his 1098 and his forks are only showing 2 lines above the top yoke where as mine are showing 5. Unfortunately I didnt have a tape measure to get the rear settings.
     
  17. My 848 sounds the same, way too low at the front showing at least 4 rings where 3 seems the norm. But the tape measure if your frjiend, youtube suspension set up and you'll find a guy, Dave something, who has some great vids and enough to give you a good base set up
     
  18. it is well documented that the std 1098 set up up was very neutral and wrong. its also worth noting that given that the engine mounts and swing arm pivot are in the same place from a 1994 916 to a 2012 1198 therefor the numbers for a well set up 916 are very much the same across the whole range 916 748 996 998 749 999 848 1098 1198.
    The problem comes with a 1098 set up to the std ducati numbers is that the seat goes about an inch higher.......but the ride height swing arm angle, rake and trail are all good ducati numbers
     
  19. My nearest dealer is nearly 50 miles away but will try and get to him at some point, I just thought if there was somebody that has an 1198 and could measure from the floor to the number plate bracket with the bike vertical but not on a stand, I could then compare this to mine to see where I am. Hopefully going on track next week and if it has been lowered I dont want anything expensive scrubbing the floor. Cheers.
     
  20. There's quite often suspension setup people at track days, so you might be able to get it setup when you get there.

    100% suspension done mine at Cadwell when I put the Ohlin shock on it.
     
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