Wow that started as A, went in to B and is now a off topic chat. To bring it down a notch. So terrorists and criminals have few things in common. They need money, they have targets, they want to do the same crime as long as possible for maximum return amongst few examples. So now think about it all those poor immigrants coming here more and more getting the blame. Those are the same people ISIS wants to kill or convert. Alternatively those are good routes in to Europe. All seem to agree on that. Then how come two of the bombers had passports on them, leading to links that they were immigrants? That is very convenient find. We now have an easy target. Hell yes Muhammad your blowyuppie people can take passports to prove to infidels we have a good way in. Yes that makes sense. Now they will make sure those people are treated even worse, resentment will rise, more will get sent back for us to kill or convert. It is as said before all those actions are to provoke reaction and yet again we are all falling in to it. That passport was placed there on purpose, it is quite possibly from a genuine refuge that was killed for it. Just so that we act on it and attack.
Cameron apparently announced last night that he was injecting £2bn into the SAS to help with the fight against terrorism........ .......sounds like a proactive move............ ....and then it appears to be over the next five years!! Oh dear.......
Anything is good though. The specials have been struggling for suitable candidates, which is a real problem.
It doesn't matter whether the passport was a plant or not. We've known from the beginning that Daesh and its activities are the main driving force behind the tide of mass migration coming out of the middle east, they are organising a lot of it, running and pocketing the proceeds from human trafficking racketeering and using this tide of humanity to smuggle thousands, probably tens of thousands of activists into Europe, knowing that the EU will willingly complete the distribution and embedding process free of charge. Apart from the fact it was blindingly obvious this has been happening, they have told us they are doing it, their sympathisers have brayed and bragged about it on the streets of European cities and intelligence and evidence from genuine refugees has confirmed it. The one thing that would scupper their plans is for Europe to close its external borders, re-erect its internal ones and refuse to absorb this migration and contain the migrants in camps to await repatriation when conditions allow. They know the Europe will never do that because it doesn't fit the EU narrative. And they know that Europe and the west will never organise themselves under the UN nor with with Shia Islam allies, Russia and Turkey to enforce safe zones across North Africa and the near east (easily done since Daesh has no air power) so the refugees never make the journey. They know the EU's own existential crises, both political and socio-historic will prevent the continent from adopting any pragmatic and workable solution. And of course they are right. Why wouldn't they put a cherry on top by dropping a passport out of a suicide belt to rattle the refugees and stick a middle finger up to Europe?
So what you saying is that we should change our values, our laws and the way we are to accommodate for terrorism. Yes that sounds exactly like what terrorists do not want.
I think I speak for Gimlet when I say that closing/tightening borders does not represent a "change of values" for him. Is ignoring the terrorists a useful strategy, do you you think?
If gullibility are values and political paralysis is the engine of our law and if abandonment of all pretence to national identity and national defence amounts the the way we are (I would term it to where we have sunk) then certainly I am saying we should change that. We are doing the terrorist's work for them already.
What national identity you are sacrificing by being in free flow market. Freedom of movement, freedom of expression, go on which values? You can still have beer, can call yourself British, can have fish and chips or that horrid Shepherd pie. No EU Does not change your national values it reinforces them. By closing down freedom of movement you attack your own value, freedom of speech, expression. You either are free or you not. You cannot be somewhere in the middle on this one
Having tight border security is common sense. Regardless of terrorism I have always though Schengen a bit on the stupid side. When you go out do you leave your door unlocked ? Or maybe you let all your neighbours have a key, after all, they live in the same street as you do so of course it will be fine to let them have access to your home and belongings. The other day I read a quote from Juncker stating that we must stick to Schengen. Why ? What is the matter with these people that they feel open borders are so important ? We might not stop all these Islamic nutters who so hate our way of life but we can at least make it harder for them to get here.
You're obviously not in business or you'd understand that free trade does not require membership of a protectionist bloc nor the surrender of sovereignty to flourish. The rest of the world manages. QED
IMO what the French Police and Military are doing right now is what the UK should have been doing and should be doing right now.......
The French police are doing what they usually do when the politicians order them to do something urgently - they round up the usual suspects.
