Paris Attacks

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by idrinkbeer, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. i think it was an example of vlads mindset. personally i cant see why putin should be seen any less believable than any other leader. we have witnessed our media edit quotes and video to suit the needs including the mighty andrew niel miss quote figures last month when interviewing angus robertson and the impeccable nick robinson editing video from a pre indi reff international media conferance to name just two. (sorry thats just where my interest lay). why would putin be any less of a target when it comes to propaganda? rod for their own back and all that.
     
  2. I see Putin as defending Russia's interests. The Americans spend the whole time defending theirs. I really can't see a whole lot of difference, personally. I'm not keen on either of them much.
     
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  3. Every country defends its own interests and rightly so. No one else is going to do it for them. Its realpolitik.
     
  4. Close, but no cigar. Nikita Khrushchev was ethnically Russian. His home village was close to Ukraine, and he spent much of his career in Ukraine in peace and war. He was famously partial towards the Ukraine. But he was not strictly speaking Ukrainian himself.
     
  5. he spoke russian with ukranian dialect . as a fluent russian speaker and person who was born in siberia i can confirm that
     
  6. Erm do not recall Prince William having now to provide electricity or any other services to Cambridge, being in any way in power of Cambridge or even influencing it's political decisions.

    Ukraine was responsible for all the above and were part of decision making for that region.

    Will Russia now repay all the costs Ukraine had to fork out for?

    Not to mention Russians were not interested in that region until they said they want to move closer to Europe and work more closely with EU rather then Russia.

    Finally entire modern world does not recognise Russian rule over that region so get a hint.

    One would have hoped that as a Russian living here you would be free from propaganda and find your own way?
     
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  7. The small difference is right or wrong US had agreement with others to attack someone. Russia just does it.
    Americans do it to defend their business but will also make an effort to look like they try to help civilians.
    Russians will not care, somebody else's problem.

    Lets not kid ourself we are talking here about country that says being gay is the same as being a pedofile, country that believes being white is superior.
    Yes they do think that as they treat people coming from Russian republics that look black or Asian as under dogs. Same as any other black person.
     
  8. wow. strong words. presumably from someone who actually visited russia or have met plenty of russians to make such a statement?
     
  9. Skipping the times I been there and was made felt like NOT RUSSIAN SO NOT WORTH IT there are other examples:

    Q&A: Gay rights in Russia - BBC News

    Russia 'ignoring' anti-gay attacks, says Human Rights Watch - BBC News

    LGBT rights in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BBC Three - Reggie Yates' Extreme Russia, Trail: Reggie Yates' Extreme Russia

    Russia's LGBT victimised by 'gay propaganda' law - Al Jazeera English

    The Facts on LGBT Rights in Russia - Council for Global Equality

    LGBT website founder fined under Russia's gay propaganda laws | World news | The Guardian

    Why Russia is hung up on homosexuality - CNN.com

    So just dropped gay rights in russia in to google to get above........

    For me fact that Human Rights watch rates Russia on 49 position out of 49 countries worst to live in for LGBT is self explanatory.
    Could go on all night on that or swap to Racism......
     
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  10. I am in no way pro-Russian. Don't even like them much as a nationality (I've been to Moscow on a couple of short visits) , although of course many individuals are fine.
    Sure they are probably very racist and anti-gay.
    Mind you, the US is still very racist. Witness the amount of black Americans locked up. Only yesterday they freed that guy after 23 years in jail when they had the perp locked up for decades. He said, and his judge said, that there were loads of other innocent people still behind bars. But they are black, so who cares?
    I suspect there is rather a lot of the US where it wouldn't be too cool to be gay either.

    As for Iraq, I don't think the Iraqis were wild about being invaded. A lot less happy, I would suspect, than the inhabitants of Crimea were to revert to Russia.

    As a Pole, I fully understand that Russians are not your flavour of the month. And yes, I'd sooner the Americans took over my country than the Russians. Just as well. They are far more likely to.
     
  11. Glidd no country is a saint, far from it but in European continent Russia is about the only country that actively support bigotry, racism and on top are proud of it.
     
  12. It's an unsavoury place in many respects, but look at the history.
    First it's a load of peasants being ruled by czars, then it's a load of peasants and proles being ruled by the Communist Party. Then it has a brief flirtation with a sort of democracy (as the people are stitched up by the oligarchs and the president is an alcoholic) and now it has reverted back to being ruled by a strongman. You can't really say that the place has ever been open-minded, or the people empowered. That contrasts quite a lot with the rest of Europe. Then again, how much of Russia is actually in Europe? It's a big place.
     
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  13. Point well made and if it was 40y ago I could say valid excuse.

    Sadly they now know how to use computers, download illegal content, send out viruses so above is no excuse no more as information is out there.

    Couple that with fact some Russians live here or outside Russia for 20y + and still are same suggests they do not want change nor they want to accept how the world is now.
     
  14. I was just looking at a programme on the rich Kuwaitis. They are even more exposed than Russians to the west, but they insist on their strange medieval desert islamic arab culture. These things take decades, or a century, not just 40 years.
    As a matter of interest, go and chat to some redneck Americans in the middle of the US. For them, Obama is an extremist. They loathe blacks and gays, want to hunt everything, are gun-obsessed and think the world was made in 7 days. Are they really so different to your average Russian?
     
  15. No. But I am looking at it from European history. Most of eastern Europe countries were under Russian rule for most of their time in past yet turned out Ok.

    Also Kuwaitis were through out most of their existence in contact with other people of same culture so no idea it could be different.

    Russians were constantly in contact with external influences.

    No what I think is Russians do not want to change as it's easier to believe same shit over and over.
     
  16. I have employed a fair amount of Polish guys in the last 10 years or so and not because they were cheap.They were ALL honest,reliable and good employees but I could never quite get my head around why every single one of them were fine with German customers but had real hate with a passion for every Russian and anything connected with Russia.I know my history and all the horror that Russia and Germany laid on them.England properly shit on them and left them to their fate on more than a couple of occasions- but they like us!Great people with proper family values and loyalty
     
  17. I think you are bang on the money! Problem is most Europeans do Disneyland or shopping in New York etc but that obviously isn't the real world? Bit like someone staying at Legoland in Windsor for a long weekend and making a judgment call on it being the real UK.I was in the Midwest of the USA years ago and it was another planet! 8 of us all born close to London but my mate Andy (black) had a very uncomfortable time just about every time we went out to eat or have a drink! And from I'm told it hasn't changed one bit
     
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  18. Sen Graham states on more than one occasion that Assad lacks support amongst "most" of the Syrians and that there are hundreds of thousands who have reasons to overthrow him; what about the other millions of people ?

    Sounds like a total disaster with a lack of any clarity of objectives or strategy.
     
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