Now I am back in London, I will be voting to leave for 2 reasons, 1) tactical, wrt to IndyRef2 2) the South east of England has got too many people in it. It needs to lose a few million to precipitate a house price and rent collapse.
Whose country? I agree with Fin, the storm of lies and scaremongering is on its way, and hasn't got near starting. Like Fin I am playing a different game, as I suspect most people living in Scotland will be.
You are probably right, I don't think the Ducati Forum is terribly representative, and no doubt some will continue campaigning, but I will have better things to do.
That would be a Brexit. A lot of people will be asked to leave. Or are you suggesting that having voted to leave the EU, people will be happy with the status quo? That doesn't solve the problems SE England has, and people will demand results. I accept it won't be millions of people leaving but I expect it will be a lot I expect things to get quite nasty when the negative side of leaving the EU kicks in and all the problems remain.
cant think of anything more important than the future of your nation. but that could be seen as the down side of getting involved in a long campaign.
Time will tell. The first general election after a LEAVE vote will be interesting. UKIPs manifesto could be provocative.
That depends upon whether you believe you can make a difference, I don't. Either way I will get on with the rest of my life, it is the only one I have.
yip.i guess we can all be accused of being armchair politicians from time to time. i find it fascinating subject. you dont have to walk about angry all the time. you should go to one of rory the tory's meetings. get your views across.
Have the SNP stopped campaigning after losing the Independence referendum? There's your answer,Fin...
I doubt if any who are presently here legally will be ordered to leave. Criminals and illegals who are protected by the European courts and the ECHR might be a different matter, though I expect the wheels of bureaucracy will grind so exceeding slow that by the time any decision is reached they will be deemed naturalised. So no change there. What would be different is that the incentive to stay may no longer exist. Senior outers, mostly from Conservative ranks but not exclusively have cited the Australian system. If they're serious about this the effect would be profound. It would mean that as well as entry on a points based visa system subject to biannual renewal, migrant workers would no longer be able to channel welfare payments out of the country for their dependants, they would be required to underwrite their own health and social welfare liabilities through employer sponsorship and compulsory heath insurance (probably in the form of a prepaid or contribution based medicare card) to cover the cost of health and social care. And they would have to do so for ten years or until they could be considered for residency or indefinite leave to remain. Also they would be subject to strict limits on the amount of money earned here that they would be able to take out of the country and they would not be able to call on the European courts to fight repatriation orders. Under those circumstances many would see no advantage in remaining. That would simply bring our immigration laws in line with most of the rest of the world outside Europe. But I can't see any leading British politician with the spine to implement it.
And what has the EU done over the last few years to protect the European steel industry? Instead, the UK government was prevented from acting against cheap Chinese government owned producers from driving the prices down and the competition out of business. At least that's my take on things.....
The EU surely believes in globalisation and neo-liberal economics. They aren't going to do anything to save any industry as far as I can see. Farming subsidies is about as far as they go.
And look what the French farmers, one pig and a vegetable patch, are prepared to do when their subsidies are threatened.
