The Eu, Leave Or Remain ?

Do you live here?

 

Well, what he says about Brexit, is he doesn't want it. True. But what he is doing? He is doing a great job of losing the referendum.

Don't know what you mean about the EU/USA super alliance.

I am just not convinced he really wants to stay in the EU, eg allowing his ministers to campaign for Brexit.

 

I can see that logic.

Nothing guaranteed about it though. Negotiations allow for movement and compromise. Political expediency, pragmatism, a need for continuity and stability will all play a role.

The U.K. Won't leave the EU the day after a leave vote. There will be a time frame, within which I would expect Indyref 2 to have been concluded, with EU negotiations done in parallel, on the basis of successor state. It's entirely possible, and what is more there is not reason to change Scotland's relationship with the EU, especially after one of its main players has quit.

Or are you suggesting the EU would not be interested in damage limitation, either fiscal or political?

 

This wisdom is based on what exactly?

Greenland left the EU, whilst Denmark remained as a successor state.

Where is your evidence?

 

A lot of assumptions here. Not least that nationalists will win a second independence referendum even if there is the support to hold one.
If the UK electorate does vote to leave the EU (and much as I would wish it otherwise, they won't. They have been systematically infantilised by successive governments for so long that they have no ambition or self-belief left, only an inability to see beyond the short-term and a conditioned fear of change) there will be the prospect of a very different constitutional future in store. All bets will be off. No Scottish referendum will follow quickly because it will be impossible for the nationalists to offer any clear idea of a future Scottish settlement (the reason they lost the last referendum) until the UK's withdrawal has been finalised and by then a whole new set of possibilities will have opened up. Not least converting the UK into a full federal alliance - we'd have withdrawn from one union of pooled sovereignty, why stop there? If Britain leaves the EU the old political certainties will disappear and the dynamic of Scottish secession is likely to change completely.

 

dont get your logic j.v. scotland leaves uk scotland out of EU
england votes to leave the EU and if the support is there scotland goes and wins indi it wont be allowed to join the EU? you know what that sounds like dont you.
i believe cammoron wants out of the EU, more so every day. i also truly believe we have what the EU wants and there will be zero resistance to it. spains just got a huff on over Catalonia.

 

Have you been there and seen the strength of feeling/desire for independence? It makes the Scot's campaign look tame.
........And if the Basques gather strength, France also shares that particular problem. There are numerous other breakaway states of current EU nations waiting for a catalyst. Scottish independence would clearly be that catalyst.

 

yip. hence spains resistance at the time to us joining the EU. simple fact of the matter is if they want access to our waters ether for fishing or military purposes their gonna have to get a grip.

 

Corrected for you Finm

 

dont know how much truth is in it. but i am told by an owner of a fleet of trawlers that the spanish boats are are experiencing a few difficulties landing there catches on the west coast at the mo. cant say why. but if they are gonna play their games they better get used to it.

 

And if an independent Scotland wanted to be part of the Nato, or the EU's Common Defense Policy, that would be the "grip" that Spain would have. Or are you suggesting Scotland would defend itself alone, if it failed to gain EU membership? There's far more to it than a few fishies.

 

i would suggest you cant hide many subs and boats in the English channel. and that's just for starters.

 

They're not exactly "hidden" at Faslane though, are they? They get "hidden" when they're not in port (sneaky I know, but that's the way it works)....... Anyway, we'd still have the Lake District

 

The UK's treaty of accession was signed in 1972. Spain had nothing whatever to do with it, since Spain's treaty of accession was not signed until 1985.