The Eu, Leave Or Remain ?

I'll bet that they have aircraft carriers and jump jets which is way more than the UK has.

 

This is what I cannot fathom about Scottish Nationalist Europhilia. You want to wrest your waters, land and oil away from hated Westminster and kick out English - sorry UK - defence installations, yet you cant wait to re-join the EU as a miniscule nation with infinitesimal voting powers and hand everything over to the Spanish.
If you feel disenfranchised by Westminster (despite having a greater level of representation there per capita than any other region of the UK) you're going to vanish without trace within the EU on your own. The UK is the second largest economy in Europe and yet we field less than 9% of the vote share in EU institutions. An "independent" Scotland would have less than 2% as a member state.
All this Euro enthusiasm only makes sense if the true motivation behind Scottish nationalism is surgical separation from England and replacing the English intravenous financial drip with an EU one. (Good luck with that, by the way...) But if you want to leave the UK from a desire for autonomy, then replacing Westminster with Brussels in completely nonsensical. If you wanted the UK as a whole to leave the EU and then enter a federal alliance with the UK as an independent country rather than a member of the Union, that too would make sense. But as it is I fail to see the rationale.

 

Well I know that the UK has neither. They are also borrowing a maritime surveillance aircraft from France at the moment due to lack of assets.

 

the topic was after indi pete
maybe we feel we are more akin to the rest of europe than the apparent westminster direction.
pete tells us that the EU is as much if not more democratic than westminster. i dont know if that included the house of lords.
maybe we could make more of a difference than the camoron.
is it true that the EU only control about 1% of a nations tax take compared to what we have now?
spain is a member of nato jv if it wants access to our waters they will have to play the game.
i remember the paper day after day after day telling us what we couldn't do. so by my reckoning it was probably the opposite.
anyhoo. i think the south will bottle it like we did last year. so to coin a phrase. it will have to be the long way round.

 

It is 1% of GDP which goes to the EU institutions (mainly from VAT), and is promptly returned to member states as various kinds of grants, subsidies and expenditures; the other 99% doesn't. Payments into and out of the EU represent only a very small part of each member state's economy.

 

cool. so the 1% coming back is it controlled by Westminster or by the regions that apply?

 

I think there are a lot more leavers out there JV. I'm really surprised at how many friends and people I talk to in business have changed their opinions over the last year or so. My seat of the pants poll is at 55% Leave to 45% stay out of those who have already decided. I don't think the pro Europe arguments are going to be believed and unless the migration crisis starts to be grasped by the EU, we are out!

 

Strange ??.....'cos down here all we got was Jabba and Jimmy saying what you were going to do.

 

with a bit of poetic license to boot. i wonder how much the suckers that clicked on anything with salmond/sturgeon in the headline made for the owners of the off shored press who just love to tell us how to live.
yip. suckers indeed. :smileys:

 

are you sure you want this referendum? Europeans will stop visiting.
here is another article to make the barckley bros a few bob.
English tourists 'cancel trips to Scotland because of ill-feeling' - Telegraph

 

or should you believe this one?
Rise in number of British tourists to Scotland - BBC News
dont worry, you guys will catch up.:smileys:

 

What do the Welsh think of the EU?

 

Too many vowels
Not enough Ls

 

You could believe both. The BBC report says "The number of tourist visits to Scotland from Britain has increased by 9%, a survey has suggested." and "Domestic overnight visits - from people in England, Scotland and Wales - accounted for more than 80% of all tourism visits to Scotland). So..... it includes people from Scotland holidaying in Scotland. Could it be that there's more staycationing going on since us English have made you all so poor up there?

 

obviously. your powers of deduction are overwhelming. :Hilarious:

 

heres a wee read if anyone's interested.
Will Cameron’s EU Gamble End the UK? : Business for Scotland.

 

Isn't it odd how people in the world at large who cast a glance at the mainstream British press are dumb suckers too thick to know they are being duped by bullshit propaganda but people in Scotland who immerse themselves exclusively in special interest Scottish matters and view the world only through the stiflingly restrictive perspective of Scottish nationalist politics are somehow uniquely well informed and worldly-wise...