I suppose it's similar to local newspapers, which tend to report local news factually, as opposed to national p̶r̶o̶p̶a̶g̶a̶n̶d̶a̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶l̶e̶t̶s̶ newspapers which are pushing an agenda. For instance, the Chichester Observer rarely runs editorials on "the migrant menace" or some-such twaddle ... but it will discuss local crimes, local issues with remarkable balance and factuality. Remember, Scotchland really isn't much bigger than Maidstone, Kent. Their press is mostly concerned with local issues, like escaped haggises and whisky bottles washed up on the shore from recent shipwrecks. They don't involve themselves in politicking up there.
i think you have been hanging out with minesatriplehencewhyiamagressiveallthetimedos to much. well, you know, you can only fight so many battles. i gave a wee example (minuscule) of press bull received during our turn. do and believe what you like.its all good. especially if it makes you feel better about the up coming debate. :smileys: i will keep giving examples. you can keep carping from the side lines. :smileys:
Sorry, another immigration issue. On the national news it reported that landlords must check tenants are not illegal immigrants. The Government can't control illegals but expect landlords to check or expect a heavy fine.
Can't believe Tony Blair would have left that one on the statute book. Also it doesn't define "rebellion". Does it mean protest marches, stiff letters to the Times taking up arms?
I really don't know. I'm sure that the Authorities will quote a load of Latin phrases and inform us that it's been superceded by some other old nonsense that gives them the right to do with some of us as they please. Those who can understand it will interpret it the way they see fit,you know,just like the Human rights Act-it gives a Syrian terrorist wannabe the right to a free council house,but doesn't stop a copper beating an innocent British newspaper vendor to death in the street while being filmed for News @ Ten.
Where do you get your info from? June 2015 I formation. UK export to EU at 44.6% UK import from EU at 53.2% That figure alone should scare you as lots of that 44.6 will now go bust or drop in profit so they will have no disposable income so import will also have to fall. We would have to export to where then? US plans to be self sufficient as much as possible, Russia Erm no, China who's economy is collapsing faster then a black hole or maybe upcoming India where UK products would be classed in many ways as luxury and affordable by few? Out is a bigger decision then just what you say. I bet all those businesses whom have most of sales to UK will love you. More info here: How important is the European Union to UK trade and investment? - ONS
Does the rest of the world export to the EU ? Why wouldn't Britain do the same if it was part of the rest of the world ? Would the people and businesses in the EU suddenly not want to buy the products they previously bought ? Anyway we would still be part of the European Free Trade Association. Finally I don't care if we do lose a bit of trade with Europe, it is a small price worth paying for retaining our sovereignty IMHO. I do not want to be part of a United States of Europe which is the next stage of the Project.
Yes could import to EU except after leaving they would still have to have goods made as per EU rules to be sold on EU market but now they would have to have additional conformity tests so bigger cost to make. Your assumption EU will want you in free trade market is optimistic. Remember EU supports their own so any deal on that would not be as good as current free market so more costs. Then we have import duties to import to EU. Couple that with UK "cheap" workforce and in general "low" costs of manufacture lol and UK goods are suddenly priced 50% or more over same goods from US, China or just inside EU. Very quickly people will change mind. I was under assumption that EU has no democracy unlike UK (from your original post) but saying you do not care about trade and loss of current export/import shows my way via dead bodies. Very democratic. If you honestly believe in democracy take everything under consideration, things you like that may or may not be good for UK same with things you do not like. Finally. Wtf is up with this entire referendum and deciding in/out? Democracy means there was democratic process deciding you join in first place. Now you do not like it you want out? How come people here do not have same approach and back bone to vote in politicians (those you can as most is appointed) and then kick them out if they do not do as you assumed they will? How come you do not bring back the empire I mean splitting it also did not work out to good for you and many of members. Decision is made and you should deal with it, stick to it and fix it. EU and current exit debate is very similar to let's go to Iraq, bomb it, fuck it up, destroy Saddam (EU) then leave them for dead and get the fuck out.
@Lucazade I do believe in democracy, we voted to joint the Common Market in 1975, we never voted to join the United States of Europe and total loss of sovereignty. So let's put that question up for a democratic vote. Yes we would have to comply with certain standards to export, but we have to do that wherever we export to and not just the rest of the EU. The idea that the 5th largest economy in the world has anything to fear by standing on their own two feet is ridiculous. We would still be part of EFTA, the Commonwealth and NATO with trade agreements all over the world. The EU was flawed from the very beginning, no longer fit for purpose and beyond repair.
Yes you do comply with additional standards outside EU but that is irrelevant as 44% of your export does not have to. Stop looking only at things that are outside EU. Unless you want uniformed vote. 5th largest based on agreements for outside trades signed while part of EU. Many perks of such agreements would be null after exit and some will not want to trade no more. 5th largest based on trade with EU states. After exit not 5th for long. You are not part of EFTA yet do not make assumptions or again it is not a informed decision. Now how is EU taking away your sovereignty? Do they control army, no. Police, no. All local laws, no. Free travel, no. Tell me exactly what do they control? To truly have one market you need same rules in all those markets is that taking away sovereignty? Please explain in detail how do they take it away?
lucaz,the reason many of us want out is because what we were told we were voting for is completely different to the EU we now find ourselves in. If you paid for something and but you received something completely different,,would you not want to say fuck that I don't want this when I paid for that? Many countries have joined knowing what they were signing up for,good luck to them. You forget that every second car on British roads is European,four out of five trucks coming into Britain is foreign registered and loaded with goods coming in to the UK from abroad,you really think the EU is going to give all that up? If so my friend you are living in dreamland. If we vote to leave it will not be all roses,but neither will the world stop turning. That goes for Europe and the UK. The original aim of the EC was to prevent the big European countries,(France and Germany),going to war again,and dragging the rest of Europe into it.Perhaps other countries are wary because every country in Europe,(apart from the neutrals),was invaded/occupied by the Germans and the Axis,but the British isles has no such memory. But the EU has gone far beyond it's original aims,and has turned into some interfering,bloated,expensive administration that cannot help meddling in each countries affairs,with the Germans and French able to ignore the regulations and rules they don't like anyway! The big worry for the EU is if the UK leaves,other populations may well demand referenda and decide to leave. The idiot EU socialists have opened the door for millions of African migrants,the Schengen agreement is in tatters,no one has done anything to stop Putin marching into the Ukraine and this is possibly going to implode horribly while the fat EU pigs sit on their hands and do nothing. We were enticed to join by liars,it's all been a monumental mistake and I can't wait to start filling in those T1 forms and ATA carnets again at Calais customs
The deal you signed up to has changed but why no one was opposing that? Do you think another system will not be changing and 40y down line will remain the same. World evolves. Those cars from EU, many are produced here all that goes, airbus goes, want to bet F1 teams will go and take engineers with them despite EU not having much impact on them. Sometimes it is also about convenience. Doubt anyone is afraid of another EU war. African migrants will still come and still try to smuggle in. If I paid for something and did not get what I paid for I would exchange it asap or within reasonable time. However if I used it, put mileage on it I would not expect a replacement. I would be stuck with it as no other option out there of similar spec. EU will not sacrifice all trade but I bet they will make it so hard for you that local EU companies will have time to adapt and cover the market for most part. Also as per your own comment you will be made to be example to be feared so others do not follow. EU has nothing to do with Russia and Ukraine that is NATO whom should act and that is a proper useless organisation. Observe but not interact. It is not a fucking Star Trek or the federation.
