The Eu, Leave Or Remain ?

I see it mentioned business will collapse if the UK leaves. What business. Seems to me the EU done more to ruin business in the UK than create it.
Energy etc is owned by other countries. The UK has been stripped of its knowledge. You don't have the ability to build your own energy plants anymore. Recently, NI factories have closed. Get out the EU and we will and can be more competitive.

 

Dont know where your figures are from but the UK pays 20 billion a year to the EU . It works out at about 55 million a day . The UK recieves 8 billion back . It still costs 12 billion a year or 33 million a day . This was in 2012 so it has probably gone up .Is our EU membership fee £55 million? - Full Fact

I'll be voting out by the way.

 

figures figures figures. never understood why you cant get a definitive number.
A pro European MP stated the other day that contributions amount to about 1% of taxation and most of it returned via some kind of funding.
backed up by a respected member on ere.

 

'Devastating' Brexit will consign Europe to a second rate world power, warns Deutsche Bank - Telegraph
And..?
If the UK's presence is all that's maintaining Europe's dignity in the world, they should be paying us. And if it is true that's a more compelling reason than ever for leaving because we are clearly squandering vast amounts of our potential at present.
And Mr Deutsche Bank, Europe isn't a "world power." Its a trade block. It isn't a country and it never will be.

 

Crossing over from another thread......... If we remain in the EU and it develops into a Federal Europe as expected, how long before Brussels decides it's in the USoEs interest to suck up to Argentina (or one of its mates) and demands we hand the Falklands over?

 

There's yer problem :wink:

 

if i mind right reagan wasn't to keen on the uk taking it back ether. special relationship indeed.

 

We tell the US of Euro to fuck off as well.
At the time of the Argentine invasion, Argentina was officially a close ally of the USA and assumed the US would support them in "reclaiming" the Falklands. The US tried hard to dissuade Argentina from starting a war and warned that the US would never back them against the UK, that their actions breached international law and that if they did invade Britain would retaliate and Argentina would lose. And the US politician who made these accurate predictions was Donald Rumsfeld.

 

Falklands: Reagan phone call to Thatcher (urges ceasefire) | Margaret Thatcher Foundation

 

Ahhh! But where is it returned to Finm? I've been looking at some of the Scottish articles to improve my balanced judgement
"Also, the EU offers grant support to areas of economic deprivation, so whereas London and the South East get very little back from the EU, Scotland does well. The EU has a role in redistributing the UK’s wealth that we don’t want to lose." courtesy of Business for Scotland

 

and so you should be. .
pulling and sharing and all that.

 

Thanks, an interesting angle that I hadn't even thought about. London's financial and our military clout do change the EU's balance.

So when will the EU members notice that our departure is a distinct possibility and start giving DC some ammunition to try and persuade us to remain?

My real concern is that any good intentions, promises and commitments will fail to deliver when all member states pick them to pieces before being ratified.

 

Another good reason for leaving. They're stacking up.

 

bearing in mind money goes south before it goes north i wouldn't get to carried away.
quoting the mythical number of £1200 extra per head spending over the uUK. AVERAGE.is that because we are better at negotiating or because we put more in? i guess that means some regions get more. can they afford to have less?. little uk could quickly become little England. scary stuff according to Tony.

 

Copy of letter printed in Telegraph this morning:

SIR – In 2014 we made a net payment of £11,442 million to the EU to allow £147,928 million worth of our goods to be imported by the EU from Britain. This works out at an average effective tariff on our goods of 7.7 per cent.

This needs to be compared with the EU’s average tariff applied to goods imported from countries outside the EU, including our fellow Anglophone countries in North America and Australasia, of 5.3 per cent. If the fears that the EU would impose harsh tariffs on British goods entering their markets were ever realised, then our payments to them would be more than compensated by the tariffs we would impose on their exports to us.

But it won’t happen. The Germans, especially, are not that daft.

Professor Stephen Bush
Thurston, Suffolk

 

Very good thread this

 

thought somebody might of picked up on this by now.
guess this could be one of the reasons lucs and others are getting a bit stressed.