The Eu, Leave Or Remain ?

do you mean the voting intentions of Foreign folk living in the UK Fin,or how forum members will vote based on the data shown by the graph?

 

do what your comfortable with. DB its all good
yip, the people that live and contribute here. i dont know the rules regarding. do they have to live here for a certain time or have been born here?

 

Just for you Fin,there's a thing called,"Google".Type in what you want to know,and it will come up with an answer...

Citizenship Local Elections Devolved Parliaments & Assemblies European Elections General (National) Elections
British
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Commonwealth
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Non-EU/C'wealth

 

It would be easier to understand if cut/paste actually worked,but basically foreign born EU citizens can't vote in General elections but can in the Euros.
Dunno about the Referendum though,probably not as it won't affect them,(their country will still be members)

 

Correct: no migrants whether from the EU or outside, will be eligible to vote in the EU membership referendum. And rightly so.
That privilege is reserved solely for UK citizens (where they were born before they became UK citizens is irrelevant). People who come to Britain from the EU under freedom of movement rules are not UK citizens.

 

Interesting that all the Commonwealth citizens over here can vote. I think I can guess which way.
Who will be able to vote?
British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens over 18 who are resident in the UK, along with UK nationals who have lived overseas for less than 15 years. Members of the House of Lords and Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible, unlike in a general election. Citizens from EU countries - apart from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus - will not get a vote.

 

i knew already.

just wanted to give people a wee reminder.
and for the separatists its no bad thing if our experience back in 2014 is anything to go by.
end of june getting mentioned again.

 

Cameron wants to push through an early vote because he knows that the news coming out of Europe is only going to get worse and because he wants to give the OUT campaign as little time as possible to galvanise - which it would do rapidly if he lifted the ban cabinet ministers speaking out against EU membership until his "renegotiations" have been completed. Though of course they are free to coo and gurgle about the imagined virtues of remaining in or to spread unsubstantiated scare stories about leaving.
It is going to bite him.

 

Now they've realised that economic scaremongering isn't going to work they've wheeled out the big guns to tell us that Brexit will destroy the EU and put the world economy and global stability at risk.
When Mr Blair and Mr Brown formed the New Labour government Britain was the fourth largest economy in the world. Under their careful stewardship we slipped to eighth and by the time we leave the EU we'll probably be down to tenth or eleventh. Its flattering to think human civilisation could not survive the cataclysm of the UK regaining its sovereignty but the hysteria is risible.

 

So, we may have the prospect of an "Emergency brake on EU migrants' benefits". WOW is that going to be the start of the great deal that DC will be putting on the table to the UK public? I'm wavering already.....

I wonder who will control the handbrake? Actually, I'd rather we drive the whole car ourselves.

 

it will happen.
how will you stop "immigrants" from crossing the channel once your out of Europe? not a very hope over fear argument i know, but its a question worth asking.

 

The illegal ones already struggle to get over that bit of water (hence the camps at Calais and Dunkirk e.g.), but to start with....We'll take the ones We decide to take. We'll change our benefit rules so We don't encourage "Benefit Migrants". We'll not be obliged to allow entry/residence to all those that Angela has given EU passports. We'll still have a Navy and Coastguard service that does what We say.

 

Why the inverted commas?
Immigrants is what they are, and illegal immigrants. Every single one of them. If they were refugees or asylum seekers, to meet the internationally agreed definition of an asylum seeker, they would have applied for asylum in the first safe country they reached. Unless they've flown directly to Paris and walked to Calais from there all of them have passed through at least half a dozen safe countries. They are not asylum seeker or refugees by any definition. They are economic migrants who are trying to enter Britain illegally. If they succeed after Britain leaves the EU they can be returned to France immediately. And if France or any other EU country grants them permission to enter, thereby making them EU citizens in the hope of off-loading them onto Britain, we as non-members will no longer be obliged to take them. They will again be returned to France. Knowing this most will be unlikely to push on to France in the first place so France will also benefit from Britain's withdrawal from the EU.

 

Two things.

1. They will not know you can send them back, they do not seem to know or care about camps so sending them back if caught is not big deterrent.

2. Even if they get EU passport on grounds of being asylum seekers they are only allowed to stay and work in country they got it at for 5y. It will clearly state that in any document they get.

Ergo nothing will change especially that most as said are immigrants not asylum seekers.

 

It has been confirmed that the hand brake will be controlled by the EU. It would be for the other member states to decide when the UK had received too many migrants and when to apply the "brake" and for how long. Effectively we'd need a unanimously approved mini-treaty every time we wished to withhold benefit payments for a couple of weeks from a single migrant. It is a joke.
Every commentator with two brain cells to rub together has called it a joke. Except the BBC, who on Breakfast news reported that Mr Cameron was "closing in" on a deal on one of his core demands. He isn't. And piffling tweaks to benefit payments wasn't one of his "core demands". That was complete sovereignty over Britain's borders. That was quashed immediately by the Polish Government who said they would never approve such a thing, presumably under pressure form the Polish business cartels who do not want to see the syphon they have plugged into UK cash economy withdrawn.
Cameron and the EU are playing us for fools exactly as predicted. I hope they keep going. The OUT votes are pouring in.

 

You're right. They'll still be illegal immigrants and they'll still be in France. And they still won't get into Britain. And if they are granted EU citizenship on the orders of Mr Junker, they still won't be able to enter when Britain has left the EU. Their newly acquired EU passport will not get them into the UK.

 

Stop twisting it. Rules are the same across EU. If Merkel let's them stay then for 5y they can only work in Germany and have to apply for work permit (not visa to stay) each time they plan to change job. If they do not brake rules they get full passport after 5y.

Same as here. Russian comes, marries English women gets UK visa that entitles him to come back to UK, work here but has to apply for work permit for each new job. Has to apply for visa when going to EU and declare trips to Russia. They also have to live together. If he gets caught working illegally count to 5y gets reset or worse, if he leaves without notifying right authority count gets reset.


I know plenty of Russians on such visa.
Those are internal EU rules

 

I'm not twisting it. I know those are the EU rules. The point you may be missing is that I don't want to live under the EU rules. I want to live in a sovereign Britain with no-one but the British people deciding how Britain is governed. I'm not interested in pooled sovereignty or living in a European single state. I'm not interested in Mr Cameron's game of changing the rules. I never wanted to be in the club in the first place and I shall vote to leave at the earliest opportunity, as will several million other people and I hope that opportunity will come later this year.