That is fine bit then do not think you should post on this particular thread much if anything. You want to leave cause you did not want to be in this deal in first place. You do not care about prose or cons so no debating so no point of posting by you in this case. Most people would like to make informed decision to do in or out. Voting based on personal preferences is childish in my view. It is like throwing toys out of pram.
camoron gave a fifteen min interview on R.Scotland this morning. ducked the brake up the UK question 3times if brexit happens. from 2hrs 37mins if anyone is interested. BBC Radio Scotland - Good Morning Scotland, 29/01/2016 bearing in mind R.Scotland is Unionist Labour to the core not a bad interview.
I do if you show me that all bad policies are purely EU fault leave. But if you are taking good EU and on purpose do not mention them so no one notices that is unfair. Debate means you take pro and Con then decide. Taking con and hiding pro makes it a rigged debate. Same the other way round. For example all environmental policies that were allegedly forced on UK by EU are good in principle. The least there is penalty, and even with penalty many are ignored. Not to mention some were turned in to revenue scheme by UK where rest of EU used them to improve air quality in cities. Out of EU means it will get worse. Working time regulations mean EU exit is basically worse for low paid workers as they will have to do even more hours. Despite fact UK has been exempt partially from them for years. I do not want people to have to work 60h a day as that is slavery.
(I do not want people to have to work 60h a day as that is slavery.) 60h a day that's nothing I do 72h a day.
The presenter is still peddling the myth that Scotland would vote separately from the rest of the UK in an EU referendum and could remain a part of the EU if a majority of Scots voted to remain. However the vote would be a single UK vote and the result would apply to the whole of the UK. Scotland could not remain a member of the EU in the event of a UK wide vote to leave as Scotland is not and never has been a member of the EU because it is the UK as a whole that is a member of the EU. If Brexit happens what then happens to the UK is entirely the responsibility of the UK.
I have to say, thanks in part to this forum, and further reading, and wider discussions I have had and to an enhanced awareness of the issues ... I used to believe that the EU would mismanage the UK to a lesser degree than Westminster. I used to believe that the EU was the lesser of two evils and I was in favour of harmonisation with Europe. Now though - in no way do I consider Westminster to be fit-for-purpose but I do believe the UK will be better off outside of the EU. That is one hell of a sea change, folks. I'd never have believed I would side with Westminster against any alternative form of government. Colour me astonished.
The approach to immigration is the show-stopper, for me. We are blessed with a natural border (cold sea water) which we will be foolish to give up. I consider multiculturalism to be a failed experiment. As a consequence, we need to be able to control the make-up of our population. The reasons for this are matters of practicality rather than xenophobia or racism and I am happy to spell them out upon demand. I can live with pretty much everything else that the EU was likely to throw at as - not because I agree with the policies necessarily but simply because I see little difference between UK MPs looking after their chums and screw the rest of us and MEPs looking after their chums, etc. These are distinctions without any differences, to my mind. Multi-Culti though - never going to work. End of.
It looks like Baroness Brady has had her debt called in and has come out with the idea that Brexit would be devastating for British football as European players could be forced to leave the country :Wideyed:. That's it then, game over.
OK. I've changed my mind again. I can live with multi-culti as long as we still get European players playing for our clubs. About turn!
Well if you were in rest of EU where they do not take exemption to working time regulations you would do up to 40h normal, 8h overtime if you want to. I prefer to work less for more, so do most people.
I'm still very much in the 'leave' camp but have been happy to discuss with those I've met who wish to stay, unfortunately (or fortunately depending how you look at it) I've not personally met many over the last few weeks who wish to stay other than a good friend of mine. It was an interesting chat over a few beers that's for sure, he's an intelligent bloke who works in the merchant navy fairly high in rank. And why did he feel he wanted to stay? Nothing more than worry or concern about things that may or may not happen. Once again it's that insurance thing.....insured against something bad happening but nobody knows what. He's worried about his job for one example and the effect it could have on trade, he even cited 'retribution' being likely from the other member states if we left, almost like being given the cold shoulder........ Really? I've never heard so much tripe in my life. Whilst I don't know what will happen from a negative perspective if we leave I'm fairly sure that trade won't suffer, if anything we can be more inventive with agreements as we'll be the makers of our own destiny. I do know that my company will continue to trade with our French, German, Italian and Belgium suppliers. Why do I know that? Well because they need us just as much as we need them. There's literally millions of £'s spent with each of them, enough to sink each supplier if the plug was pulled. The EU Aren't going to impose any higher levies on the UK more so than they do with other non eu states, all of our economies are intertwined so for them to make it awkward would be suicidal. I do know one thing, we'll have full control of our own borders, full control of our own laws. Full control of of own economy and what we make of it, for better or worse. I tell you why all the other EU leaders want the UK to stay, it's because they're scared the whole thing will unravel as soon as their own citizens see we didn't magically get sucked in to a black hole when we left. I'm telling you now, if we go Germany and France will soon follow as I'm fairly confident they don't buy this closer together shit anymore either.
Interesting question but I think we are too far in to pull out? (No pun intended).Germany seems to be the only country doing any good from it?I don't think we need the Euro - look at what it's done in Ireland,Spain and Greece.Thing is if we pull out Greece and Spain will be 5 minutes behind and then the whole thing becomes a shambles
Alternatively if you believe that the EU will eventually implode we might as well get out sooner in a controlled manner rather than later when we are all even more entwined.
