next time there is a referendum can England vote, the Scots obviously got the vote wrong last time and are unhappy with the result maybe the English can do it properly next time and deliver the result the Scots want
Fracking is not the primary issue, though it is utter madness. The primary issue is the connivance of the Tory government to subvert local democracy in favour of big business. Locals will have no say over an issue which will affect their health, environment, the value of their property etc This is not an issue which affects Scotland btw. It is an issue which affects England only.
That's a rather arrogant and patronising thing to say about the good people of Lancashire, for example. What's the difference between the geology of the USA and the U.K. ? How do you fix a broken well? Can you let the folks out in California know the answer to that one? They need your help. How often do you meet a hysterical German? They banned it. Widely regarded as very fine engineers the Germans. Why can't they execute it?
it looks that way doesn't it. despite the best of efforts to put over a point of view some clown will come out with "they should ask us next time". quite telling init?
That's not a Tory problem though. New Labour were exactly the same. Turning the issue of over-mighty, undemocratic centralised government into a party-political issue, or a political polarity issue, misses the point. This isn't a question of nasty Tories reverting to type, its a phenomenon of modern politics and the EU represents the nadir of this process. Pollsters and media supporters of the political establishment can't compute the rise of Ukip, for example, and how they managed to poach so many votes form both sides of the political spectrum. It didn't fit. In the same way they couldn't understand the momentum for Scottish independence even among people living in Scotland who were not Scots by birth and were not instinctively left wing. They don't get that its the lack of representation that's at the heart of the discontent and that the EU (and the way Mr Cameron is stage-managing the referendum) is the worst embodiment of this disconnect. Which is where we came in. The problem I have with this whole Scotland/EU debate - and the reason the two issues keep over-lapping, is that it seems that objections to the undemocratic way in which modern politics has mutated are admissible for debate only if they are left wing objections. That is itself part of the problem, not the solution.
Firstly the ongoing incident in California has nothing whatsoever to do with fracking so is a complete red herring with respect to fracking. Understanding geology is central to the safety of the fracking process and in particular the relationship between any gas bearing shale and groundwater aquifers in the vicinity, there absolutely needs to be separation between the two. The rest is pretty basic. Fracking is being overhyped IMHO and is not the game changer it is being made out to be.
interesting BofA: The Oil Crash Is Kicking Off One of the Largest Wealth Transfers in Human History - Bloomberg Business
I don't see it that way. Instability in the markets is cause for concern and benefits the rich disproportionally. The big transfer of wealth has been from the poor to the rich for some time and it is continuing.
Well that was a damp squib. David Cameron says he 'sure would' want Britain in EU under new deal despite watered down proposals - live - Telegraph
They are still peddling the myth, Given that, it’s very possible that despite Scotland voting to stay in, England and the UK may vote to leave. It is the UK that is voting and Scotland is part of the UK.
What I deny is that Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England are voting separately. Could a majority of Scots vote to remain ? Absolutely, but we are deciding as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland with only one result.
its just something people must take in to account. dont underestimate the level of feeling or indeed the games people will play to get what they want. maybe i have been swayed by the arguments made on here, or maybe i haven't? :smileys: but should it come to that conclusion (natural end) Europe moving any headquarters north in the event? what do you think?
Just listened to DC on the radio. So what have we got; a load of promises and good intentions that will never make the next treaty, by which time we'll never get again get a chance to determine our future. Oh and the main fanfare of the 4 year emergency brake on migrants benefits. This is clearly at best going to be a one off 4 years brake not the 4 year permanent change. After that the other 27 countries will never agree to it ever again! Also getting 55% to agree to challenge other laws, etc. Two chances of that; slim and none. Complete failure to achieve anything that changes my opinion on membership.
The vote will be "remain or leave" for the whole of the UK. If the UK leaves the EU and if Scotland splits from the UK and if an independent Scotland joins the EU then we shall see what happens.
