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1260 1260s - 1,500 Miles Completed. Opening The Taps.

Discussion in 'Multistrada' started by Rainman, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. So, finally hit the magical 1,500 mile point which signifies the completion of the break-in period and thought I'd come back and share a bunch more observations I've made along the way.

    Exhaust valve - I'm really disappointed that Ducati still haven't managed to sort this stupid issue out with the exhaust valve. From day one, every time the valve reset at ignition on or off, you could hear it moving and every time it sounded like a donkey ... "Hehaaaaaaaw". At least you knew the thing was working and knowing what the DVT was like I've been listening out for it, expecting the worst in that one day I wouldn't hear it at all. At the beginning of this week at about 1460 miles I experienced the early symptoms of the exhaust valve playing up - no donkey sound. I started my daily commute and could immediately tell that there was an issue as the bike sounded decidedly more muted. As I got onto more open roads the mid-range was all but snuffed out and whilst it did rev much more readily than a DVT with the same fault it was obvious the valve was stuck closed. I pulled over, killed the ignition, turned it on again, started her up and resumed my ride and it was fine once again. Needless to say a DUC-EE has now been ordered, but this time I'm going to see if someone is going to reimburse me for this because it's just ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay $50 plus shipping because Ducati can't make a bloody exhaust valve work reliably, when other manufacturers seemingly can without much trouble.

    Not starting - I hate to say it but the valve isn't the only issue I've experienced. On at least three occasions, on the cold and damp mornings we've had prior to this last week I've had a bike that just won't start at all. It just spinds over and over on the starter motor with barely a splutter as it tries to start. My bike is garaged and so not left out in the rain, but I suspect that there has been sufficient moisture in the air to cause an ignition issue. The issue has been cured by bringing an industrial fan heater into the garage and letting it run for 20 mins, and then trying again, whereupon hitting the starter button has the bike immediately coming to life. I'm certain it's some shitty HT leads or plug caps. Never once had this issue with the DVT. My 1260S has directly caused me to be late for work on at least three occasions.

    Finding Neutral - The struggle to find neutral has all but gone - sometimes it can take a little effort to find neutral at a stand-still but it's generally pretty good. For anyone else experiencing the issue just get into a habit of selecting neutral whilst just rolling to a stop. With the wheels still rotating just a bit it always goes into neutral just as easy as any other bike. It does improve significantly and I really wouldn't worry about it.

    Quick shifter - It's good but I've tried better. I've had a few missed shifts and one occasion where it just flatly refused to downshift at all until I'd come to a stop and turned the engine off. I'd also started to notice that sometimes there would be too much of a blip on a downshift and it would cause tiny lurches as you come down the gears. I've not found anything in the manual but I suspect that the tyre calibration feature is related to the performance of the downshift, since it is trying to match engine speed with road speed, therefore a small change in wheel diameter due to tyre wear would seem a likely candidate to upset things enough to notice it. A few days ago I did a recalibration and I've not noticed the issue again since but I suspect it's something that I'll need to revisit from time to time. It will be really interesting to see what the difference is when I ditch the crappy Pirelli Scorpions.

    Luggage - Finally got around to refitting the topbox off my '15 DVT. No issues, anyone wondering if it fits I can categorically state it's all the same even though the pillion grab rail might look different.

    Suspension - from day one, and as has been observed by a few other people, the standard "Touring" suspension setup has felt quite firm. Something occuured to me which made me change the default "Touring" mode suspension setting down to just one setting softer front and rear. Some time back I acquired a used Nissan GT-R R35 with only 800 miles on the clock and I was keen to make sure that I continued to observe the break-in process, and in the owners manual it instructed you to always set the suspension in the softer "comfort" setting to allow the suspension to more easily cover the full range of travel during the break-in process. By logical extension I figured that before critiquing the suspension on the 1260S too much I should probably follow the same process on the bike too. Sure enough, as the weeks went by and the mileage increased I could detect a noticeable difference in suspension performance as it was getting generally more compliant. It got to the point where I thought I had a rear puncture, before realising it was the suspension feeling particularly loose, so I returned it to it's standard settings after which it felt MUCH better. I don't know if it would have loosened up just the same if I hadn't changed it, but I've had a better ride for doing it anyway so I'd recommend it to anyone and get ready to put back to standard setting if it does feel a bit too boggy. This is where the I think longer wheel base does become more noticeable - with a softer suspension setting it does take more effort on initial turn in and to keep it turning, just like having a soft rear tyre.

    Now the part you've been waiting for ....

    Engine - So having found that the stock performance in "Touring" mode to be more than ample and already exceeding the '15 DVT, I've not played with the "Sports" mode very much. There really has been no point, at least until we've completed the break-in process and we're ready to ping it off the rev-limiter properly. Leaving it in "Touring" mode I totally love the way this thing makes so much grunt at low revs and under a heavy throttle. You just keep shifting at 4K RPM you just romp down the road on a huge wave of torque, just keep hitting the quickshifer up the gears as quick as you can until you're in top. You can barely detect a change in RPM or engine note when you do it and it just goes "BLARP-BLARP-BLARP" through the gears and pulls like nothing else.

    Then there's the other engine modes - When putting the bike in "Sports" mode there is something else going on here and it's not like the '15 DVT at all. The characteristics of the engine changes way beyond anything you can achieve by simply playing with throttle opening maps. You can even feel it in the way the thing ticks over and the engine seems to develop a slightly stronger vibe and adopts a noticeable difference in overal character. It sounds like a cliche but it really does seem to come alive - not that it was asleep before hand! From a stand-still the difference is tangible. Pin it in first gear and in a blink the rev counter turns orange whilst the front wheel is just skimming over the tarmac. You grab another gear and for a split second the front of the bike bobs down, then up as the quickshifter cuts the power and it comes back in very quickly, front wheel still feeling like you've got the smallest amount of contact patch under the tyre with speed rising at an alarming rate whilst revs don't climb with quite the same level of urgency, but rise they do. You've already had most of the torque below 4K but it continues to build steadily all the way to the red-line in a very linear fashion. The rev counter turns orange again. Into third and it's much the same but by now you're backing off as you're firmly into license loosing territory. Whilst you're spinning the engine all the way to it's top end you do notice the much taller gearing. All the sheer grunt ensures that speed accumulates faster than the revs rise. There's no big top-end rush but it is blisteringly fast and without the DWC doing it's thing you'll be pulling wheelies off the throttle quicker than blinking.

    There is no way a '15 DVT is hanging with it if you're up for it and you've got this thing nailed. You'll be sitting behind any bike that happens to be in front of you on the motorway and you'll be wanting to give it the 'hurry up'. He'll pull over and by just opening the taps and without changing down you'll go thuming past, complete with top-box. It's pretty comical.

    It's been said before but the 1260S is definitely the bike that Ducati meant the '15 DVT to be. I always felt that there was something missing on my old bike and the best analogy I can come up with is it felt like a rock guitar amp with a volume setting that wouldn't go past 7 or 8 - it was good but you never felt it was capable of reaching it's full potential to comprehensively melt faces. Whatever it was that the '15 DVT was missing, Ducati have found it, re-installed it, and then turned it up. I'm going to stop with the guitar amp analogy because I don't think it's quite got the spinal-tap "11" setting, but it's definitely a solid "10".

    There's only one thing left to do now - and that's bin the OE Pirelli's. I know their limitations and they're starting to affect my enjoyment of this bike because I know I can easily ride off the side of them. Even day to day riding I'm holding back quite a bit because I know the bike is more than happy to lean much further than I'm currently prepared to take it. The fact that I'm holding back AND I have zero chicken-strips on the rear is a worry and is on my mind a lot. Probably going to go with Bridgestone's but haven't decided on T31 or maybe try the S21 for use through the summer. I had the T30 Evo's on my '15 DVT and they were very good. I'm off to Germany in a few weeks so need to do something pronto.
     
    #1 Rainman, Apr 19, 2018
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  2. Nice write up .
     
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  3. Interesting and informative review. Thanks Rainman. Got me thinking about a change:)
     
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  4. My GS remains safe then. :D
     
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  5. Nice review Rainman, thanks. I now know what to expect when I collect my 1260 next week, after 33k miles on the DVT looks like I'll have plenty to smile about with the new bike :grinning:. Anyone want a cheap 65 plate DVT :thinkingface:?
     
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  6. Great write up. It tells me the 1260 dvt is as much guinea pig material as the 1200 dvt 15 was. Not different enough to spend a huge chunk of money to go through similar issues. Hope you enjoy it.
     
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  7. Don’t discount Michelin road 5, the latest Pr4 replacement

    I didn’t even ride out the showroom on the Pirelli’s, and swopped them for the Michelin R5, loads of feedback, and a great all rounder

    Really suits the 1260PP
     
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  8. Got much pr4s on my slow olde 2015 Base 1200 Dvt.... they're great!
     
  9. I had two sets of PR4 on my previous Multi, again great tyre :upyeah:
     
  10. 3rd set at least PR4s here too. Good enough for a bit of track day, 95mph in pouring rain and leaving black lines out of corners trying to leave behind other multi riders :joy::joy:
     
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  11. great write up :upyeah: even on my bike that neutral thing is annoying
    got roadtec 01s on the other day alot better than the pilot powers. that was onit when i bought it
     
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  12. Interesting and detailed report, your comment about the gearing changes confuses me though, as from what I have read it runs the same gearing as the DVT ie gearbox, final drive and sprockets all the same
    With your thoughts on the longer wheelbase needing a bit more effort to turn in (which makes sense) as you are use to sports bike tyres on your old DVT, I would like to hear your thoughts on that same subject again after you have replaced the scorpions with proper sports tyres, I'm thinking the tyres alone will make a huge difference
    With the ex flap valve giving you trouble, I think it comes down to dumb luck, I bought a Duc ee for my DVT fully expecting mine to fail, now 36000 kms later it has never failed.
    On the subject of the Duc ee, do you know if the same part fits both models ?? hopefully I may not have to buy another
     
    #12 dddd, Apr 19, 2018
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  13. Was your '15 stock or did you remap, either full Termi and their map or PC? I definitely felt like the torque curve slid lower on the 1260, making it so you didn't have to be so attentive with downshifting to get into the meat of the engine range. But the full Termi system with the "race" map helps the 1200 DVT relative to stock. I feel the bike does go to ten, but you have to work a bit for that kick over the edge.
     
  14. Thanx for the write up!
    I guess I'd get the exhaust valve fixed by the dealer hoping for it to not fail again.
     
  15. Great write up. Can you comment on the consumption of the 1260? Although what interests me is the touring range (which I assume from your review you haven't done yet) it would be interesting to know the mileage that you get. Maybe after the trip to Germany.

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  16. Thanks for a great write up, I've done similar miles in all weathers on my 1260ST with no problems thankfully. Tank range at 70-80mph on motorways/main roads is about 205 miles.
    Can anybody tell me how accurate the fuel gauge is - if it tells you there's 40 miles to go - how many more miles are there for real?
     
  17. Good write up.

    I still find it hard to understand how it can be quicker than a well set up 2016 DVT though. Mine doesn't need more power anywhere and is a bit of a beast to control.
     
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  18. With the Road 5 tyres on, mines doesn't turn any slower than my previous multi, but does feel more stable at high end motorway speeds
    I think Ducati have done a good job with the frame geometry here
     
  19. Well, what a great and articulate resumé, thank you.
    I've now covered 2,300 miles and I have no regrets, what a fantastic machine.
     
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  20. :) Some feedback on my experiences as a new 1260 MTS owner, from a relative layman, when compared to the sort of write-up given by Rain-Man.
    I agree some really useful feedback from Rainman as to his experiences with the new 1260, something that will almost certainly vary to a greater or indeed lesser extent with each and every owner of this model who feeds views back on this 'ere website.

    To add my 'six-pennorth' into this equation, having had very little time to ride the new bike, I ventured out today to Poole and what a great ride this was.

    The difference in the behaviour of the bike with the 1260 motor, has to be ridden to be believed. It can, as has been described so articulately by R-M, amongst others here, literally pull lime a steam-train, from circa 1.5k revs in 6th gear all the way up, with little or no complaints from the motor or the gearbox, from 25-30 mph, up to 80 mph, which clearly ain't the best way to run the bike in, but just as a trial to see what was possible, this was quite something!

    Added to that the cruise control on dual-carriageways/motorways, was absolutely brilliant, making for such a relaxing ride, at least for the throttle hand, it made this mode a genuine pleasure, something I will look forward to when on French motorways, as long as I need to be when I head over to meet-up with a load of other Mutli nuts in Haute-Savoie, in mid-June this year. I know who will be grinning from ear-2-ear, on this part of the ride!!:yum

    I'm getting used to the quick-shifter, which when I ride, I still think there is a need to use the clutch from 1st to 2nd, otherwise the change is really noticeably clunky, but in all likelihood, that's due to new owner inexperience with a Q-S! Other than this, using it through the range, makes for speedier changes, up or down the box and it really is a pleasure to use.

    As for turning-in, on the Scorpion Trail tyres, which to be honest with you, I would usually have taken off immediately, as I prefer PR4-5's on my bikes, but this time I've decided to leave on for the first 1-1.5k miles and to change just after the 1st service.
    They turn-in like crazy, much faster steering than the PR4's on my earlier PP!. Incredible, with absolutely no edges left at all on the rear tyre, even with only 200 miles on the clock. This simply must be down to my riding style, which clearly is 'god-like' these days.

    I'm still using the bike in Urban mode as well, to try to ease it in, rather than to give it a good lashing for all it's worth and I have to say, the difference between this bike and my seriously modded Pikes peak, is staggering.

    Still running the bike in under the warranty conditions, but effortlessly up to circa 85mph in 6th at under 4k revs and pulling like the proverbial steam-train and being held back by the rider.

    Great riding position and ergonomics, much more comfortable than my previous 2014 Pikes Peak.

    So to summarise, for me the change to the 1260, has been nothing short of mind-blowing and such a positive development from my skyhook PP, which I really gelled with and absolutely loved to ride.

    This is a huge leap-forward, not a sideways step.

    Still a few things to alter to make it 'mine', otherwise definitely a really positive change and choice for me, I just need to get the miles on the bike now and get the 1st service dealt with, then onward and more upward than of late!!!:innocent:
    :cool::p:joy:
     
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