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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I see that Italy's President has tried kicking the can down the road in a somewhat short sighted and blinkered attempt to retain status quo with Brussels.

    I dare say that his move will only strengthen the support for the 'populist parties' in the next round of elections.
     
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  2. Italy's last prime minister was a result of this, the president put in a eu lapdog and technocrat government with eu passion. The sticking point this time seems to be the proposed economics minister who is widely know as anti eu and anti euro. The president would not agree with the appointment so the prime minister stepped down.

    I think it shows that the president is the eu's man in Italy and will do anything to put the eu and NOT Italy first. The coalition government are now seeking to impeach the president to remove him and return the full coalition government with all of it's appointments and then put Italy first.

    We could be in a position that the Italians, who after the U.K. are the most eurosceptic country in the eu, could be out of it before we are if the president keeps putting Italy second. Said many times when it comes to brexit, Don't just look at it as us versus them but look more what is happening in the eu and they have more to worry about than just us.
     
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  3. Well that just made things interesting, the president who is now facing impeachment, has ignored the coalition government that was put together based on the most votes by the people in the elections, and has now appointed his own man as prime minister, a former executive of the International Monitary Fund who only left the IMF last October , Carlo Cottarelli
     
  4. She is so desperate to replace merkel, it wouldn't be too far a stretch to imagine her starting to to speak Scottish then blend into German
     
  5. i know, if only we had somebody that was strong and stable while still being fluent in bollox.
    click bait alert

    a wee interview with Nicola Sturgeon this morning from Brussels.
    https://www.politico.eu/event/politicos-interview-with-nicola-sturgeon-first-minister-of-scotland/
    Enjoy,… because we are never likely to hear anything like this from the BBC in Scotland. every positive reported, weakens the case for the unionists. and we cant have that now can we.
    The brexiteers and others hate the respect that is shown Nicola Sturgeon around the world is in very stark contrast to her treatment by Media and specifically the BBC in Scotland.
    how dare they represent the majority's needs and devo re brexit.
    fecking terrorists/separatists.
     
  6. TBH Fin, most of us don't even notice.
     
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  7. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44278439
     
  8. What respect fin, did you look at that room?, more people in here saw her talk than in europe

    If being in europe in a room with half a dozen people in it is "representing the country" then Wayne, chiz and the boys in spain probably did a better job in any of the several bars they went in.
     
  9. Aha! missed that.o_O
     
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  10. You will be able to see on that BBC link the papers with questions and concerns Nicola has, right in front of her
     
  11. yip, i read from a less partisan outlet this morning.
    these bits stuck out.
    "It's becoming ever more obvious that Nicola Sturgeon wants to create a political crisis to justify her continued push for independence."
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    nothing on the power grab or protecting our unique economy. no surprises there.

    Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie said: "I hope that Nicola Sturgeon uses her visit to Brussels to reflect on the damage caused by breaking up political unions."
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    Willie who?, the greens are bigger party and support ......? you will never guess. i wounder if he is aware of the fact that if the scot gove run an election campaign in England the polling stats say they would get less seats than scot gove.
    .nothing on the powergrab or economy. no surprises there.
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    Neil Findlay, Scottish Labour's Brexit spokesman, said: "Brexit simply shows how difficult it is to leave a political union - even one less integrated than the UK."
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    labours roots are in Scotland, they ran on an independence ticket up until they grew fond of ermine of course.... they blocked more powers coming north than the torys after 2014/smith, i bet most labour votors dont know that, and now they run on federalism ticket, something the ruk dont want which means it aint happening, and still no mention of protecting our economy. and to think one day they will be in a coalition up here again, "judder"
     
  12. The good thing about Nicola Sturgeon and the one trick party that is the snp, is that it has not a single interest in the U.K.'s well being and that makes her and her government very easy to predict time after time after time.

    Her going to the eu to talk to bernier, given he deals with member countries and not a divisional council, means of course he is going to pat her on her head but to be honest, it will get as much done as the leader of Essex county council going to talk to Barnier so he will not appreciate the uneccesary visit.

    For Bernier whilst appreciating her little annoying jack russell approach, she is little more than an inconvenience on his time whilst he deals with the bigger issues such as the 28 and brexit, the italian problem, the visegrad group, Irelands/apples tax bill, Poland demanding the ability to run it's own rules, Austria and Hungary refusing mingrants and of course how he comes out of all those and then puts himself forward to replace junker when he leaves next year.
     
  13. I think this current Tory government have created the biggest political crisis in living memory due to their complete ineptness.
     
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  16. An opinion piece from Yanis on this very thing, someone which many remainers were happy to side with when he was saying that the UK would be better to remain and fight for change from the inside, yet start to read some comments and they're blind to the truths of how stifling the rule from Brussels and Germany can be.

    Selective in their EU views it would seem

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ar-right-technocrat-matarella-racist-populist
     
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  17. The chap put in by the president to be prime minister isn't even a politician or belongs to any single party of any kind when the elections took part,with his long IMF history is nothing more than the eu's man. At what point can any claim the eu is democratic?

    What it will do now, is the eu's prime minister for Italy will submit his choices, the two largest parties will veto him and his choices for office, forcing another snap election that will be held in August/September. The two populist* parties will benefit even more for this election as the Italians will have been angered that democratic votes mean nothing if the eu is involved.

    * populist a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.

    I've never understood why the eu gets pissy at a populist party, surely all parties are populist with the winning side being the most popular. It seems by implying "populist" the eu seek to create a "we must not vote for them because they are not like us"

    The eu have bought themselves 3 months to sort it out, at the moment it is likely to start the dominoes falling given the anti eu feeling in Italy
     
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  18. Yanis Varoufakis, hmmm, was he ever going to come out in support of the EU and the Euro? TBH, he is an interesting and intelligent guy. Not sure on his motives now though, after the Greek tragedy, seems like Greece had to pay twice for the wrong doings of Germany..

    A slightly different angle would to be to look at his country (Greece, not Italy) as they were allowed to join 'the club' courtesy of some dodgy Americans, AKA, Goldman Sachs. Who seemed to have a strange idea of what a stable and healthy economy was!
    Some interesting (and flawed) view points on the Italian economy as well, they have struggled for years with corruption and bad governance.
     
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