whats odd, is why you would expect a sweetheart deal after 50 odd years developing policy around the four freedoms.
Not really, it just highlights what many of us said at the beginning, the eu will feck about till the last minute just to protect the failing project.
So you do think we should simply accept it then. And be damned with UK and the 60m people who live here. Then shame on you.
Accept what? You have no idea what you are on about. Just think outside the bullshit the Tory party and politicians in the UK are feeding you. Britain decides to leave but Britain knows that leaving with no easy access to the EU market will have a significant impact on its economy. Britain knows what the EU rules are regarding access to the EU market. Britain bleats on about it not being fair when the EU states that the rules have not changed. Britain goes bust blaming everyone but themselves.
I don't think they could feed what you you do Britain decides to leave but Britain knows that leaving with no easy access to the EU market will have a significant impact on its economy. It will have an impact but you work on that impact lasting till the planet dies rather than the 2-3 years. You also ignore that we will still do business with the eu but will also now be able to deal with the rest of the world too Britain knows what the EU rules are regarding access to the EU market. Yes we do but so do the eu but they are asking somethings from us as a soon to be ex eu country, that they have not asked from other third countries, have they asked other third parties for shared security and intelligence services? no Britain bleats on about it not being fair when the EU states that the rules have not changed. Not quite, as explained above they are trying to cherry pick whilst telling the U.K. not to cherry pick Britain will not go bust, let alone because we allow a democratic vote the eu doesn't like. You may hate the U.K. duke but enough of us have a lot more faith As to your usual, the uk has lots to lose and vehicles are at risk because of brexit blah blah blah. European car manufacturers know the U.K. is vital to european, particularly German auto makers. Even more so as europe's overall manufacturing in the euro area grew the slowest pace in two years in September.Also, new orders failed to rise for the first time since 2013, Bloomberg reported. Other European car manufacturers have voiced similar concerns as Markit. Many feel the european car market has plateau'd https://www.express.co.uk/finance/c...rade-war-donald-trump-car-market-slump-latest
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Guardian........ https://www.theguardian.com/comment...cks-little-englandism-cornish-camembert-jacks To simplify; Dominant supermarket chain launches low cost store = bad Sourcing food from the UK = bad Writers ability to understand basic statistics = very bad E.g "How Jack’s will make good its promise to “grow, rear and make” 80% of its products in Britain is unclear when according to recent Defra statistics, Britain produces only 60% of what it needs to feed itself."
If you ever try supplying to Tesco you will understand why it's a load of bollocks. Worst company ever to do business with and now they reckon they will source their lowest cost items from the UK? This is the company who insist on knowing how much profit you are making from them so they can screw it down to nil. Good luck with that.
Most companies like that insist on knowing your margins. And I’d say apple, amazon and google would be far worse than Tesco these days. WTO rules only....they will have plenty of produce as we will withdraw from producing Europe. Farmers work rather than subsidies. Profits improve or out of business. Normal business mechanics apply
mate, there is certain industries you just can not allow to go under. apparently banking is one of them. but farming and forestry is a deffo.
There are plenty of foods that will go down in price as we no longer have to apply the EU protectionist import duties to protect the EU's (mainly French) inefficient farmers. There are other markets for Beef that will prevent it from rising by the stated 29%. As Beef goes up in price, more UK Beef will be raised and market forces will work without the EU trying to skew them. Ireland will be a massive loser if things don't end well. By the way, I believe ALL of Co-Operative stores own branded meats (Chorizo excluded!) are now UK sourced and they are working on fruit and veg. It's a good trend, food being transported fewer miles, better for balance of payments, is there a downside for the UK? PS I also won't have an issue with eating chlorinated Chicken as I hate the current situation where a high % of Chicken sold has the campylobacter virus.
a down side for the uk. for a part of the uk? yes. only one part of the uk has a trade surplus, and part of that surplus comes from 23% of the uk's food and drink exports. but with only 8% of the population.
From the outset EU member states have been cherry-picking which rules they will comply with and which they will ignore. The fatal contradiction at the heart of supposedly federalist Project is the fact that not a single member has ever joined the EU in a spirit of fraternal federalism. They one and all joined for nationalistic reasons because they thought there was some advantage in it for them as individual nations. At the first opportunity pretty much every member state (except the slavishly honest UK) has broken the rules whenever it served their national interest to do so. In signing the Maastricht Treaty and subsequent stability pact, Eurozone members agreed to certain fiscal rules to shore up and protect the fledgling Euro. Every single state, including Germany has broken those rules when it suited them. Even the EU Commission has repeatedly broken its own rules on bailouts to prop up its doomed cardboard currency. At least half a dozen schengen states who signed up to a borderless Europe have closed their borders in flagrant contravention to the rules which they themsleves helped write when their national interest came into conflict with the reality of the single-state pipe-dream. And lets not start on attitudes in little man Macron's home nation to fisheries law, free trade in agricultural produce and allowing planes to takeoff and land unhindred. Life is simply to short. Defending one's national interest is only cherry-picking when the UK does it. And they wonder why we're leaving..
The only way UK farming will become more sustainable is if the British Govt subside it and UK shoppers are prepared to pay more for their food. Farmers receive EU subsidies now and its not viable on a small scale. The only way it becomes profitable is with 'industrial' farming. And then you end up supplying the supermarket who eventually grind you down on price til it no longer becomes viable.
And for your information, Kirky, French farmers are not inefficient at all. Productivity in France is higher than in the UK.
Good point and used the figures well but you have to look at the broader economic picture and expand your argument a bit: Scotland ran a narrower deficit last year as a stronger performance from the oil industry boosted revenues, but the gap between government spending and income was nearly four times higher than the UK as a whole. The latest Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (Gers) data for Scotland shows that for 2017-18 overall state spending hit £73.4bn compared to tax income of just under £60bn, including oil revenues. That left a deficit for the year of £13.4bn, compared with £13.5bn the year before. Scotland’s deficit was equivalent to 7.9% of GDP, while for the UK as a whole it was 1.9%. I really think that Scotland can actually prosper outside of the EU unless the SNP really continue to mess things up. Scotland presently exports more to the rest of the world that the EU. If the fishing industry can also expand along with the Whiskey business then it may start to reduce that deficit. The SNP needs to put Scottish independence on the shelf to get dusty, otherwise international investment will stay away.
Disagree on that one, our GDP is slightly higher than France and our GDP per capita is almost identical; UK $43,877 VS France $42,799. Germany is the powerhouse that reaps the big bonus benefit of a Euro currency value that is kept low by the Southern and Eastern countries in the EU. If they had to trade with a strong Deutsche Mark their exports would be badly hit. This is why Germany and to a lesser extent France, are calling all the shots in the EU and are so keen to keep unity among the 27 at all cost, even if it hurts them short term. The alternative would really hit their economies. So who are the losers in the EU? Just look at Greece, Italy, Portugal, etc. Unemployment and crumbling economies in these countries are pretty shocking. Greece in particular has been damaged for a generation. If they'd left the Euro during the crisis, they would have had short term pain but would be recovering well by now with a competitively valued Drachma. If we'd have joined the Euro, we'd be much worse off by now with higher unemployment and unable to leave. Thank you Gordon Brown, you really did one good thing while Chancellor.
continue to mess things up? in what way? pretty much all they can do is shout "oi,over here" which of course, the SNP have been v,successful at. hence the areas where they do have a modicum of control over are booming, ie by promoting food, drink, abroad. pretty much all the financial leavers remain and are decided in London. the GERS figures have been debunked many many times. several quick examples. armed forces, trident and foreign policy, we get billed a population share of it, and is added to the 73bill GERS figures. would we continue to replicate uk foreign policy?. the cost of running the uk Parliament and civil service, we get billed a population share of it and is added to 73bill GERS figures, its estimated and depending on who's figures are used that somewhere between 5-10bill of Scottish tax income is lost to the London and south east economy through that rout alone. would we bring the civil service home?. UK infrastructure projects like HS2, cross rail, ect, we get billed a population share and is added to the 73bill GERS figures, while there is barnet consequentials, its still a fraction of what we pay as a population share. the GERS figures are a fraud, they where specifically set up in the early nintys by? and framed in such a way to undermine the confidence of the other nations of the uk. please dont be suckered into believing their stats. like the macrone report, they're there to fool you as much as they are me. we dont have a deficit, not one of our own making anyhoo, we cant borrow, with almost all the fiscal powers, its the UK's deficit but billed to us as a population share. with 25% of the worlds banking market and more oil than norway, over 80% of the worlds whisky production when you add the tiny amount england makes the uk has 2trill debt along with some of the poorest services and population anywhere in the EU, but its not the EU thats screwing us. and its not the SNP, plaid cymru or sinn fien thats gonna split up the uk, its a shit labour party and the fugging tory/kippers.
Can’t disagree. We need food. We need shelter. So should we apply the same rules to house builders as we do farmers?
