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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Stop it will you. Dukey is out buying rope. :laughing:
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  2. BBC News - All the drugs are running out - they just had to mention Brexit didn't they, wankers :rolleyes:
     
  3. Maybe they are the ones taking them all. :thinkingface: It would explain a lot.
     
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  4. Agree. Genuinely can’t remember seeing that....suspecting some shenanigans.... the bus yes but nothing that said, speci9, that all the cash would go to the nhs
     
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  5. Unintended stockpiling...people subconsciously stockpiling...utter nonsense
     
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  6. Just google “boris johnson 350 million nhs” and it’s the first image and plenty of news articles.

    I’ll try and find the video as both he and Gove used it as a backdrop.

    Just sayin’...
     
  7. Hahaha! Good point, well made!
     
  8. Genuinely never seen that before. Ok semantics would say it doesn’t say they will, and it certainly isn’t a pledge, but the clear intention is for the reader to think its going that way.

    Both sides lied, and only one side has been proven wrong so far: the remain side. Business still operates. God is available/ markets are good. Investment continues. All things that remain said would not happen from the day after a leave vote if they lost.
     
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  9. whether your stance is a remainer or a leaver, Johnson
    You have absolutely no idea what I am. Not a fucking clue. I on the other hand know that Boris is a clusterfuck
     
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  10. In or out - we voted out, not for 2+ years of scheming to stay in, not some crummy half baked deal imposed on us be the EU council.
    Just refresh yourselves with what was ringing in every ones ears from the barrage of project fear only hours before voting...… :thinkingface:

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    Prime Minister David Cameron delivers an EU referendum related speech in Downing Street, London. ( PA Images )
    David Cameron has given a last-ditch speech calling for Britain to remain in the European Union.

    The Prime Minister made the call at lunchtime on Tuesday with just one full day of campaigning to go before polling day.

    Polls show a tight race, with both sides hopeful of victory.

    The full text of the Prime Minister's speech is below.



    "Good afternoon. We’re near the end of a frenetic campaign.

    "And today I want to pause and speak to you very directly, and personally, about the momentous decision that this country faces in just two days’ time.




    "For six years, I’ve had the responsibility and the honour of being your Prime Minister.

    "And I want to tell you why, doing this job, I feel so strongly that Britain should remain in Europe.

    "Above all, it’s about our economy.

    "It will be stronger if we stay.

    "It will be weaker if we leave.

    "That’s a huge risk to Britain – to British families; to British jobs – and it’s irreversible.

    "There is no going back.

    "And it’s also about our national security, too.

    "My first responsibility is to keep you safe.

    "Some of the most important moments behind that door are when you’re reading the intelligence reports…


    "…taking in the most chilling details about those who are planning to do us harm.

    "My job is to act. To make the right call. To use every tool at my disposal to protect our country, to protect you, to protect your children.

    "I would not be standing here, encouraging you to vote to remain in the EU, if I thought the EU stopped me from doing that.

    "The reality is the opposite. Our membership of the EU helps me.

    "I’ve seen first-hand, in these dangerous times, how we can better cooperate with our friends and neighbours.

    "How we can share information, track terrorists down and bring them to justice.

    "How, alongside key allies like the French and the Germans, we’re more effective at facing down threats and keeping people safe.



    I’ve seen it time and again – at a very practical level – that we’re safer in Europe than out on our own.

    "Being a member of the European Union also gives us strength in the world.

    "We aren’t any old country. We’re a special country – one whose language, whose values, whose influence is felt the world over.


    "If I felt that remaining in the European Union diminished us, I would recommend that we voted to leave.


    "But it doesn’t. It amplifies our power.

    "When we’re in these organisations, we become an even bigger force in the world, with a bigger influence in the world.

    "And in the European Union, with 27 countries behind us, we can take a stronger lead in tackling climate change…

    "…fighting disease and poverty…

    "…standing up to Russian aggression…

    "…helping friends around the world – in South East Asia, Australasia, the Caribbean…

    "…and we can promote and preserve the values we hold so dear – like democracy, like freedom, like tolerance.


    "That’s how our extraordinary country has always made its influence felt.

    "Not by walking away from the world. But by engaging with it.

    "Brits don’t quit.

    "We get involved, we take a lead, we make a difference, we get things done.

    "If we left, our neighbours would go on meeting and making decisions that profoundly affect us, affect our country, affect our jobs – but we wouldn’t be there."They’d be making decisions about us, but without us.

    "Above all, being a member of the European Union is about our economic security.

    "The reason I came into politics was to help people to lead a better life…

    "…to get a good job, to earn a fair wage, have the chance to own a home, to provide for your family and for your retirement.

    "That’s why the thing I have focussed on most these past six years, in that building, is sorting out our economy.


    "Now I know I haven’t got every decision right. And I know not everyone has been happy with what I’ve done.

    "But of this I am convinced – indeed, of this, every living Prime Minister, whether Labour or Conservative, is convinced:

    "Britain is better off inside the EU than out on our own.

    "At the heart of that is the Single Market – 500 million customers on our doorstep…

    "…a source of so many jobs, so much trade, and such a wealth of opportunity for our young people.

    "Leaving the EU would put all of that at risk.

    "Expert after expert – independent advisers, people whose job it is to warn Prime Ministers – have said it would shrink our economy.


    "In the short term – facing recession.

    "In the medium term – enduring a decade of uncertainty.

    "And in the long term – living with fewer jobs, lower wages and higher prices.

    "These are risks to our families and we shouldn’t take them.

    "In particular, it will be future generations – the apprentices and the graduates starting out in life, the children learning in our schools, those yet to be born – who will be hit hardest.

    "It’s for that reason I want to speak very directly to those of my generation, and older.

    "I know Europe isn’t perfect. Believe me, I understand and I see those frustrations.

    "I feel them myself.

    "That’s why we negotiated and enhanced our special status.

    "Out of the Euro.

    "Keeping our borders.

    "Not involved in ever-closer union.

    "We have the best of both worlds.

    "So as you take this decision – whether to remain or leave – do think about the hopes and dreams of your children and grandchildren.

    "They know their chances to work, to travel, to build the sort of open and successful society they want to live in, rests on this outcome.


    "And remember: they can’t undo the decision we take.

    "If we vote out, that’s it.

    "It is irreversible.

    "We will leave Europe – for good.

    "And the next generation will have to live with the consequences far longer than the rest of us.

    "For the next two days, up and down the country…

    "…in homes, in pubs, in the staff room at work, on the train on the way home…

    "…the conversations will continue: in or out?

    "But on Thursday, those conversations will stop.

    "It will just be you in that polling booth.

    "Just you – taking a decision that will affect your future, your children’s future and your grandchildren’s future.

    "I believe, very deeply, from my years of experience, that we’ll be stronger, we’ll be safer, we’ll be better off inside Europe.

    "To put it as clearly as I can: our economic security is paramount.

    "It is stronger if we stay.

    "If we leave, we put it at risk.

    "That’s a risk to jobs, a risk to families, a risk to our children’s future – and there’s no going back.


    "So, this Thursday, remember who we are as a nation…

    "…remember how far we’ve come, and how much more we can achieve…

    "…and, for you, for your family, for the future of our country, vote remain."
     
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  11. You're Angry Nigel :blush:
     
  12. All that positivity oozing out. Amazed it wasn’t a landslide
     
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  13. Exactly - how can any remainer say we didn't know what we were voting for, he spelt it out quite clearly I thought :bucktooth:
     
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  14. Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
    Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
    Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
    Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
    British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
    Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
    Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
    M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
    Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
    Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
    Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
    Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
    Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
    Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
    ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
    Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
    JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
    UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
    Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
    Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
    The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
    Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
    39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
    The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

    Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

    I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
    I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

    Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
    1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
    2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
    3/ You don't think it matters.

    OUT OF EUROPE we need to be out of it
     
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