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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Maybees yes, maybes no :thinkingface:
     
  2. Oh dear me.
    I'm out.
     
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  3. ah, your work here is never done.
    or is it, you never do any work? meh, its one or the other.
     
  4. :eyes:
     
  5. aye, you know.
     
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  6. Is he still here..... :eyes:
     
  7. No :eyes:
     
  8. The graph clearly shows that UK productivity (I'm assuming using the std measure of Productivity = GDP per labour hour worked) has fallen against DE and F.

    What it doesn't do is explain why.

    Do you know why it has declined? Is it due to an EU conspiracy to sandbag the plucky UK worker? Something to do with an EU superstate ad red tape? Due to UK management incompetence? Due to lack of investment in UK infrastructure post WW2? Due to our prioritisation of services over manufacturing? Etc.

    What do you think?

    I think the answers lie much closer to home.
     
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  9. Having been in a similar position, I'm tempted to agree!

    However, the cold hard economic numbers do not support the stereotype (see Exige's graph)
     
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  10. Junkers replacement has been approved in the eu parliament yesterday evening

    Currently with the U.K. mep's still there, there are 751 meps so she needed to get past the figure of 374 votes. She got 383 votes. The most powerful political figure in europe has been elected to the post by 9 votes past the line.

    In numbers, nearly half of all euro meps do not think she is the right candidate, so much for a united europe going forward
     
  11. ....so, exactly where we are with BREXIT then.........
     
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  12. Sounds to me like that was too close - do it again.
     
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  13. About where we were end of June 2016, still arguing about whether the referendum was fair or not.
     
  14. Oh yes you are :D
     
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  15. All the answers lie much closer to home yes, but as a whole the EU council are going very much in the wrong direction for Most people’s liking. I guess you are beginning to realise that much :thinkingface:
     
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  16. So, if we sack 20% of the workers, and get the rest to work 25% harder, the UK would be top of the chart?
     
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  17. I have wondered, as you have mentioned services, is this the problem. We still make stuff and export in the billions but
    we are moving more into the expertise rather than the making and I wonder if that is seeing the traditional scoring/assessment, has yet to devise a way of assessing that????
     
  18. Are services, perhaps, not as lucrative as we thought?
     
  19. I was thinking more if you produce a car say, you can measure the productivity. If you design, create some more technical where there is much more r&d, out of hours work etc etc, do we have the monitoring systems to bring that in a comparable way?
     
  20. The std GDP calculation is just as applicable to services as it is to manufacturing. The output of an hours work in a service environment should lead to an income...which feeds in to GDP....which supports the calculation.

    Should be inclusive of R&D and all other costs. At the end of the day a service output is just as much a "product" as a car.....it's just less obviously tangible and sometimes harder to visualise - ie an insurance contract or a share trade v a Nissan Micra or a ship etc

    Studies in to the productivity gap (we have one with most developed nations, not just EU countries) often conclude that we invest less in infrastructure and technology (particularly on the longer term) that helps support productivity gains (ie automation that helps us produce more per man hour, improved road/rail that reduces journey times for goods etc). The Germans and Japanese (on the long term) have been very good at this. China is catching up very quickly (and is also supported by lower salary costs etc),

    Its the joined up thinking in Government and industry that we are less adept at.
     
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