I still cant work it out , book leads to to think it is , but bike does not feels like it is . Its a 2017 1200DVT ABS (NOT S) and I believe applying front brake does for rear also , but am I right. On a paddock stand at clearly very low speed it does not albeit the front wheel is not turning at this point What do you think ? thanks David
My understanding is that it is for Touring and Urban modes but I must admit I can't tell ....but that might be because the back brakes are not brilliant!
Yep, the rear brake is linked. It is only linked breaking if you use only the front brake. Once you touch the rear brake they then brake independently. ABS and traction control witchcraft .
Thanks for the replies, in which case mine is faulty. I put some marker on the disc and went out two miles using the front brake only in touring mode. marker has not moved. I will call dealer on Monday .
Not clear to me that the brakes are linked - the ABS certainly is per the manual. But to my mind there are two different things, linked brakes (where the rear is applied automatically every time you squeeze the front lever) and linked ABS (where the rear will be applied if you squeeze the front lever and the ABS kicks in). And I don't see mention of the former in any Ducati documentation, though I may have missed it.
2 x 320 mm semi-floating discs, radially mounted monobloc Brembo callipers, 4-piston, 2-pad, with cornering ABS as standard equipment Both versions of the bike S and standard DVT get new Bosch 9.1ME Cornering ABS, thanks to the new IMU, which should make it even harder to lowside yourself. A combined braking system, as on the last Multi, uses four pressure detectors to allocate braking power between front and rear, with the amount of bias dependent on which riding mode (you can adjust the level of intervention) you’re in. For this system to work it relies on linked breaking which is controlled by the front break lever. If you touch the rear break, then it cancels the intervention of the IMU. Maybe the intervention only takes place with aggressive breaking, defenatly when ABS kicks in... I very really use my back break , but it s defiantly used by the bike brain ...
I had a play today , took the bike out got it all warmed up , did not ever touch the rear brake . Did a series of heavy braking runs using front leaver only . Did about 5 big stops from 70mph. Got off bike and put my hand on rear disk . It was very very hot. So I am wrong it does apply both brakes, I was in Touring.
Yes, we have to trust the witchcraft from Ducati. , once you have confidence in the system it builds so much trust and you can understand why the bike should not lose grip under heavy breaking in an emergency . It’s all good stuff. So please you don’t not have an issue Clifford. Good to go
Bringing this thread back as I just had my bike serviced and talking to the technician about brake pad wear, he said to me its clear I don't use the rear brake. Linked I replied , no way he said . Its a main dealer Ducati dealer and we had a discussion about the brakes, including him taking me through the system bit by bit . They are not linked on this bike or any other Multi in the 1200 range . I found this thread on my phone and showed him , dealer is absolutely adamant they are not linked . There is no mechanical action to apply the rear brake other than the foot pedal. There is an ABS pump but it is common to the system and does not apply brake pressure . Also my rear pads are full thickness after 8000 miles. 2017 DVT
I have bled the system now by detaching the caliper from the disc and getting it up high above the abs pump height. I got a good bit of air out. Now on the pedal it's a fair rear brake. I can lock it with a good prod . I am now sure it's not linked to front. Better start using it now.
I’d agree with that They’re definitely not linked together. I noticed on GS’s the rear brake reservoir is mounted much higher, right up near the saddle. I’m going to have a word with Jamie Clare and see if we can design a mod and move it up there on the Multistrada’s. It’s got to be worth trying to move it away from the catalytic converter. Apparently it’s the heat from that, that messes up the brake fluid. The rear reservoir on my Panigale doesn’t sit next to a cat. and works much much better. You’d have thought this is something they could have sorted out at the manufacturing point...after all this time.
Both front and rear are linked, but not mechanically. It is all controlled internally by the Bosch ABS pump, and is therefore electronically linked, you can't see any additional slave-cylinders like you would expect on older bikes with linked brakes. The pump itself has sensors regarding brake fluid pressure, so can detect when you have manually applied pressure, the same sensors used to moderate brake pressure when its modulating ABS. Linked braking is also dependent on which ABS mode is selected (which in turn is set using the riding mode). To be clear, it doesnt matter whether you stand on the rear brake or have a big handful of front brake, the bike will apply BOTH brakes if its in the right mode, and it considers it to be an emergency braking situation. You can try this by swapping ABS modes within the same riding mode. There is a link somewhere that specifies how the DVT-on Bosch ABS system works in detail, and how the different modes interact. I can't find it now (my link to it is dead) but this one still works: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/testing-boschs-motorcycle-stability-control
GS locks the rear easily at north of 50mph. And very scary it is when you are applying ‘ducati rear brake’ stomp for entering a decreasing radius corner..
Having just picked up my new 1260 I'm being very careful with the excellent rear brake... I mean I don't want to use it all up in the first week before it reverts to normal operation!
I think the term linked is deceptive in this instance . In normal riding using front brake only does not engage the rear brake. My previous BMW and a Honda I borrowed did and they had linked brakes . To use the rear brake on this bike you have to use the pedal . Under extreme circumstances the bikes computer may apply rear brake force to a degree, but in everyday riding the brakes are independent . Hence I have near perfect rear pads after 8000 miles , I was never convinced but my lack of skill was fooled by the term linked . I am now returning to using both front and rear together and there is much less fork dive . I think the term linked may give a message that the front lever actuates both and it does not.
Spoke to the the service dept at Ducati Aylesbury / On Yer Bike and their techs looked into it to confirm and they are adamant they are NOT linked on my 2017 Pikes Peak (or any Multistrada) and mailed me to confirm that
I agree that they are not hydraulically linked, but they are controlled by the same Bosch ABS pump, and this has the capability (*) to monitor and control both brake circuits. (* whether its functionality is enabled is meant to be based on operating and riding mode. Maybe it is alla load of BS, not ABS ) It is bizarre that the press releases at the time the DVT was released specifically quoted linked brakes. Here is a link discussing this with links to articles going back to 2015: https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/threa...multistrada-1200-dvt.30442/page-9#post-540735 And an article testing it: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/testing-boschs-motorcycle-stability-control
