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Local Shops Will Die - Should I Be Bothered?

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by PerryL, Sep 5, 2020.

  1. I try to! But if you can't even buy a 13 amp fuse on a Saturday after 12, what can you do!

    When I was out gardening I hear a Morrisons delivery van arrive and deliver someone's shopping at about 7pm. I don't even know where my nearest Morrisons is! All very friendly and everybody was happy. I don't think that is so bad!
     
  2. Of course they screwed the shop workers too, making them work weekends for the same rate of pay as weekdays & don't care that these workers can't spend time with their kids when its not a school day.

    Now the online corporations are screwing everyone out of the taxes that would be paid by local shops. So if anyone wants the NHS/ Schools/ Road building/ Pensions/ Universities for their grandchildren in the future, it might not be such a great idea to give all your money to Mr Bezos who gives almost nothing back...
     
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  3. Not necessarily. I shop for food at my local Co-Op. They employ lots of young people who get to work locally without having having to drive anywhere. Dunno how many hours per week they do but it won't be more than the law allows. I rarely see the same person if I go in the morning and then again in the afternoon. They all seem happy and I know that they get breaks and go out he back. So I shop locally out of my taxed money and the Co-Op employ locals who will pay tax, as well. I buy quite a lot from Amazon and if they don't pay their fair share of taxes in the UK hen that is not my problem.
     
  4. It will be your problem when there's no NHS, hardly any police and no new infrastructure as a huge amout of these services come from the retail sector via taxation.
     
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  5. This is the irony. Small business on the high streets pay extortionate business rates which quite often make them unviable whilst the likes of Amazon that can easily afford to pay their fair share of tax dodge it just so Bezo can throw a few more billion on to the pile.
     
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  7. I don't understand where the tax is going now.
    In the 1980s the UK was supporting a huge armed forces including a quarter of a million people in Germany and an air force with 4 times as many aircraft as it has now. The UK was still paying back the US war loans. Now all that is over where is the money saved?
     
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  8. A local shop , for local people ....

     
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  9. Corporation taxes have been slashed to less than half what they were; in 1982 Corporate Tax Rate was 52%. This has been reduced almost annually. The current rate is the lowest its ever been at 19 percent since 2017. The government has plans to cut it to 17% but these were suspended fortunately.

    The earnings of the average citizen is stagnant. In 1980 average salary (inflation adjusted was £19K. In 2012 average salary was £26,500; in 2020 its the same.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20442666#:~:text=The survey results show that,has gone up by 43%. The figure in real terms (constant 2015 prices) is £471 per week, which is 0.4%) less than the pre-2008 economic downturn peak

    Therefore the income into the countries coffers has reduced dramatically, high levels of employment do not result in increased taxes when earning are so low.

    To answer your question, "Where is the money?"; the answer is the governments have handed it to corporations.
     
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  10. I live near Marlow, apparently one of the premier shopping streets in the country.
    Shops are closing left, right and centre, small independent shops are disappearing fast, some of the bigger chains exist but some of those look like they are struggling, similar story in Henley.
    Take that theory to near by High Wycombe and it is very apparent the whole high street model is collapsing, cheap pubs, bookies and charity shops.
    Shopping malls that were built in the last decade are looking sad.
    I use Amazon but shop for food etc. locally, I have no idea if that's right or not, we are staring at a new world, quite how that looks is anybodies guess.
     
  11. We end up in a situation where we have no choice but follow suit. As local shops become less we end up, like it or not being funnelled into the mainstream where the large retailers control our buying on their terms and at their pricing whilst not putting anything back into the community or even paying a fair share of tax. Sad times.
     
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  12. Pensions for civil servants mainly. And the nhs. And social security benefits. And vanity projects.
     
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  13. Thing is, govt could tax amazon as much as they want. Amazon won’t pull from UK, it’s has 65m consumers. Same with all these large corps - Facebook, google, Starbucks etc etc.

    It needs someone with big bollocks in govt to pass legislation related to income gained in UK begging taxed in `u`k and not allow this internal cross charging nonsense.
     
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  14. Yes I get one of those civil servant pensions. It is about £2500 per year and I worked for much less money than my British Aerospace counterparts did for that pension. I would hand it back but the UK government would only spend that on keeping the Queen and her family in luxury.
     
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    Labour gave it to this lot in the 90’s;):joy:
     
  16. I mean that it is not my problem to sort out the tax system so that companies like Amazon, Google, etc pay their fair share. That is what a government is for. The EU didn't sort this out and we were all told to "take back control". I thought that we did, as we couldn't possibly have been deceived! Where we?
     
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  17. I have to admit ineptitude. I am unable to sort out the NHS, the Police, and our infrastructure. But I have an idea!!! Let us create a thing called a Government who will do this stuff for the people. New radical idea, I know, but we don't have a government now!!!!
     
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  18. Perry just try once in a while to buy more locally & less from the big overseas corporations. Every little helps!
     
  19. I support a local grocer who supplies local produce and it’s delivered to my door
    I won’t go back to supermarket fruit and veg as it’s tasteless.
     
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  20. Yes and for so many reasons
     
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