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Lithium Batteries And My Trip To Snells Ducati.

Discussion in 'Ducati General Discussion' started by WAYNE, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. My excuse is I’m only on my second cup of coffee, sorry should of twigged that
     
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  2. #62 WAYNE, Sep 24, 2020
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  3. Yes, it sounds to me like the sensible thing to do and ordered one today, the Triumph loom adapter is due today (that is the same fitment as the standard R/R as far as i can see) and the R/R is due tomorrow or saturday so will hopefully set it up over the weekend and make a bracket up, and see how it goes. I've also got a R/R for the standard battery coming as well so best of both hopefullyo_O, will keep posted with results:upyeah:.
     
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  4. Ha didn’t need to bend the plate E0D781F9-A097-4489-8368-4532519260FC.jpeg
     
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  5. I was thinking of making instead of aluminium plate make one out of 3mm carbon fibre sheet as it has heat resistance, i have some around in the garage somewhere.
     
  6. And off the bike red wires looked a bit close so reroute time don’t see why you couldn’t use carbon heat is minimal to the touch BE7FD56E-E505-48B4-BD94-1D4EE851FA15.jpeg
     
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  7. Wayne, the Ali plate soaks up the heat from the Reg/Rec and then helps dissipate it.
    A carbon plate keeps all the heat in the body of the Reg/Rec which it then has to dissipate itself.

    Although as mentioned earlier, the newer units don't generate as much heat anyway.

    Nasher.
     
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  8. Yes it was a thought on carbon i wasn't overly sure of the heat thing, i have some 4mm ali plate hanging around as well so will make a bracket up from that instead.
    It was a thought with the carbon, it would look good though:joy:, form over function does not apply here.:upyeah:
     
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  9. Drill loads of holes if using 4mm plate, it will still be strong and look lurvely too :heart_eyes: big holes, not diddy ones :bucktooth:
     
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  10. Ooo a who’s got the best Ali plate competition
     
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  11. Your on :joy:!!
     
  12. Another thought, how about drilling holes in a carbon sheet over ali for heat dissipation?:thinkingface:.
     
  13. No :blush:
     
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  14. Lots of people here sharing experiences and thought I should add mine too as I sadly had to watch my girlfriend get engulfed by flames on our previous Ducati Monster S4R which experienced a regulator fire. Luckily a random guy nearby saw the fire and rushed to our rescue with an extinguisher and put out the fire which prevented a complete loss of the bike although it still required a complete disassembly and major rebuilt including new harness and lots of other parts. The result looked like this:

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    The problem is multifaceted

    Transistor regulator

    Ducati uses a ridiculous older regulator design which regulates the voltage through a BJT transistor design that is wildly susceptible to self-heating effects which affects performance of the regulator which amplifies the problem of electrical stability in the system on your motorcycle.

    Placement

    The problem of using a BJT transistor design regulator susceptible to self-heating effects is amplified by the fact that Ducati decided to place these regulators in a closed environment under the seat on many older motorcycles. When the seat material is 10 years old it is in itself wildly susceptible to spontaneous combustion when the regulator temperatures get hot enough to melt through the seat underside plastic.

    Stator wiring

    Ducati used underdimensioned wiring coming from the stator which in itself doesn't affect the regulator directly but shows Ducati's lack of understanding of the need for a stable system and margin of error.

    THE SOLUTIONS

    There are multiple good solutions, some of which have already been mentioned in this thread.

    Replace your regulator with a MOSFET design regulator

    The best solution to your regulator failure risk issue is to swap to a newer MOSFET design. This design runs much cooler and is not susceptible to self-heating effects like a BJT transistor design. As correctly mentioned by other users, you need the Shindengen FH020AA unit and a Triumph T2500676 Link lead. This harness will plug directly into your new regulator and your bike's wiring harness. The only issue you'll run into is that the Triumph harness and your bike's harness won't "fasten" together. I suggest using a zip-tie to hold them together although I've never had them come apart without a zip-tie.

    Where to get this? You can get the FH020AA at most bike shops and the Triumph link lead you can get from a Triumph dealer.

    Alternatively http://www.roadstercycle.com/ is a great resource and Jack is very helpful although shipping to Europe has been an issue in the past.

    THIS SOLUTION IS PLUG-AND-PLAY!

    Re-positioning

    On some models (In particular the older Monsters) you will run into the fact that the FH020AA unit doesn't fit where your old regulator was mounted. This requires you to put your regulator in a new place. I suggest to reposition it in a place under the tail of your motorcycle where it gets lots of airflow.

    If you make these upgrades you should not have any issues with bikes burning down or Lithium batteries exploding due to surging from the regulator.

    I own and have owned multiple older Ducatis and they all have these upgrades and I run Lithium batteries on all of them for the main reason that they do not lose their charge so easily and keeping many older bikes tendered or with batteries disconnected is bothersome and I prefer the convenience of putting the key in the ignition and push the starter button to go riding.
     
    #75 Soren Hejnfelt, Sep 28, 2020
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  15. Got lithium on both my MTS 1000 and Pani 959, no issues so far, quick charging and great cranking. The one on the MTS was on my piles peak before that.
     
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  16. Like i said somewhere on here i have had one in my 900ie and no issues whatsoever and i have read about people having them in there 996 without issue.
    On my 996 i'm putting this on :https://www.motoelectrical.co.uk/ty...fr5qNucTaXNl2KIb7YriOxwTe_KR7j1RoCX3EQAvD_BwE

    And this :https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/view/T2500676

    Better safe than sorry.
     
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  17. The pic of the S4R who's rectifier went up in flames is horrifying....

    Anyone know if the Ducati 999 regulator/rectifier is the old style or the new MOSFET type?
     
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  18. I am not sure but i do think the 999 will have the old style standard one, hopefully someone will tell you for sure.:upyeah:
     
  19. Old style on everything up to the Panigale - the most common to fire with Lithium Batteries fitted :bomb: are the 999 and 1098 era bikes. Many have had no issues, but plenty have so the people with no issues have a ‘potential’ time bomb waiting - even if they don’t seem to careo_O
     
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