Looking at both bikes (Aprilia Tuono 660 and 2021 Ducati Monster) that one of which I will buy when both I get my license back and compensation money, both have cornering ABS, of which a big thing is made. Being and old git, I was always taught to never brake in a corner but make sure that your path is clear before committing, so you shouldn't ever need to brake in a corner. Is the current advice different? As in, go into the the corner as fast as you like and if you've overdone it, make use of your cornering ABS? If you have two bikes with no ABS of any description, with one with the full ABS feature, is it now a requirement to rely on cornering ABS when you are on the bike with that feature but not to rely on it when on another bikes. That is a lot of thinking to do in less than a second. I am not convinced that cornering ABS is worth paying extra for. I know with the Aprilia it is an extra, but I haven't checked on the Monster.
I am just talking about road but on the track then no abs of any description is wanted. So, again, I cannot see any point in it.
After a lifetime of not braking mid corner it certainly feels alien to do it if you have to. But I have to say that it's been brilliant the couple of times I've overcooked a corner and I've had to use it in anger, so to speak. I'd recommend having it.
I see that the Ducati Monster has it as standard whereas the cheaper Aprilia has it as an option. Dunno what I'd do but plenty of time to think about it - probably, if I choose the Aprilia, then I would not bother but nothing to put me off the Ducati.
If you ride at a speed you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear you’ll never need it. But in this world of ours, shit happens. When it does I am grateful for whatever help I can get. So whilst I hope never to use it, I really like having an IMU based safety net with cornering witchcraft and star trek levels of “get me out the poo please”.
This is true. Riding perfectly, you should never need it. As I am still recovering from having my leg smashed up in an accident, I can accept that I am not perfect. Yes, I could keep on blaming the car driver and saying it was all her fault, I am the one still suffering. Dunno if any form of ABS would of made a difference but it could not of made things worse.
I will not ride any bike without ABS any more unless fully off road. BUT I am not sure that cornering ABS is worth it if it costs extra. AS far as I know... The regular ABS still works in corners, it is just that the bike does not know you are leaned over. But it also does not know if the road is wet, or oily, or sandy, wet leaves... It deals with all of those by tracking the sensor to see if the wheel is locked up. I am guessing that it will do the same when leaned over. Maybe it apply's the brakes less because it knows you are leaned over? Or less abruptly? BUT If it does, how does it know if it reached the threshold of grip? It still has to rely on the sensor. If you are hitting the brakes so hard that you need ABS, you need all of the braking. Plus, I treat most new things like plastic wrap. I personally cannot use it well. The newest stuff is actually too good too clingy for me so I buy the cheaper store brand... Easier for these hands... ABS? I figure the regular ABS now is already so much better than early ABS systems. Regular ABS now is probably as good in the corners as the first cornering ABS systems were... I went through a lot of this type of thought concerning wheelie control also and whether I needed it. I did not. There is a thread on here somewhere about it. From your opening remarks, I do not think this issue should make or break the decision to get one or the other.
If you have normal ABS then squeeze it mid corner then the bike will try and “sit up”. With cornering ABS it won’t, it’ll just continue round the corner as normal.
No. It doesn't really make a difference. I am not going to think that I know better than the designers. I think that Aprilia have it as an option only to keep the base price down whereas Ducati do not give a **** about keeping prices down as they are known as a premium brand can charge accordingly. So, if I go for the Ducati then I get it and that is fine and if I go Aprilia I may, or may not, get it as an extra. Overall it is not a factor. My local dealer is Aprilia and I like them. Last year, when I was really hobbling, a mate took me there for a look, or it might have been the year before as there was no pandemic sh1t going on. They sat me down and got me a coffee and couldn't of been nicer. I respect that. Riders, my nearest Ducati dealer are fine as well. I think that I've bought two Monsters brand new off them in the past as well as loads of spare parts (which they will post) for other bikes over the years. So, no problem with either dealer and I think that it will come down to sitting on the bikes and test riding, in the end. Youtuber reviews are crap and I am not interested in anything that they have to say. Professional reviews from MCN and Ride, etc, carry more weight but I haven't read anything bad about either.
Do you mean “technically, how does it work?” in which case I’ve no idea. It’s black magic. If you’re asking “does it work, and does it work effectively?” then I can categorically tell you that it works like a dream. And the way to get used to it and overcome your fear of using the brake mid corner is to go round and round your favourite roundabout squeezing the brake lever more and more as you go round.
So then it is Anti braking? If it does not stand up in the corner when the brakes are applied then it is not using much braking force. right? I mean it is physics that makes it stand up. Unless there is a weighted gyro somewhere counteracting the force that makes the bike stand up. It should want to stand up. I still think the cornering stuff is just a matter nuance. It beaks less because it knows that at lean you generally have less grip. I wonder if it alters the amount of braking used (and how it is used) when it is in a corner BEFORE the ABS sensor sees the wheel is locked up? With normal ABS all ABS processes besides monitoring should happen after the wheel sensor stops for a millisecond.
It’s a bit like that extra tissue when you’re watching youporn. You probably won’t need it, you’ve been doing it for years and know how much you need, but just in case today’s videos has a little extra....what’s the harm? No point on ABS on new bike unless it’s corner ABS. Old systems are terrible compared to latest tech. Worth the money.
Abs and cornering ABS on the road is a benefit. It's not designed for you to go as fast as you can in a corner, but for the rare occasion you're mid corner, need to stop and instead of losing the front will help you stop.
