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E10 Fuel From September

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by duke63, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. Nice to see that the factory lavished care and attention in making sure the sticker on the Scrambler was nice & straight.
    Wonky numberplates on new cars is another pet hate of mine.
     
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  2. Just copied the following from a post on Facebook. No idea if it’s true or not but it looks feasible.

    “Ethanol is used as an “oxygenate” and is added to fuel to help reduce hydrocarbon emissions that cause air pollution. It is highly refined beverage (grain) alcohol, approximately 200-proof, that can be produced from natural products such as corn, sugar cane and wheat.

    New technology allows ethanol to be made from cellulose-rich feedstocks including corn stalks, grain straw, paper, pulp, wood chips, municipal waste, switchgrass and other sources. Ethanol used for fuel has been denatured or rendered unsafe to drink by the addition of a hydrocarbon (usually gasoline).

    The term “ethanol-blended fuel,” or E10, refers to fuel that contains 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent gasoline. Similary, E85 refers to fuel that contains 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. E85 is intended only for engines specially designed to accept high-ethanol content fuel blends, such as the Flexible Fuel Vehicles (FFV) made by some car companies. Not all states require gas pumps to be labeled to indicate the presence of ethanol in the fuel, so you may be currently using E10 fuel and not be aware of it. There have been efforts in Washington D.C. to introduce gas with 15 percent ethanol (E15).

    Problems with the transition to E10 fuel

    The most likely time for fuel problems occurs when you first begin using ethanol-blended fuel. When E10 is added to a fuel system that has been using non-ethanol gasoline, ethanol, as a new solvent, will tend to dissolve and loosen deposits that are present in the tank and fuel system. Phase separation may occur, resulting in an approximately 50/50 ethanol and water layer at the bottom of the fuel tank. To limit problems with a changeover to E10:

    Check for the presence of water in the fuel tank.
    Inspect the water-separating fuel filter on larger engines. If water is found, pump the tank dry from the fuel line or siphon the tank dry. Examine the fuel in a clear container. If the fuel is not clear or has a sour odor, the tank should be cleaned.

    Add a quality cleaner to help clean deposits in engine
    Completely fill the tank with E10 fuel to maximize the amount of ethanol in the tank to absorb any water present
    Monitor filters and carry extra fuel filters due to filter-clogging concerns

    Phase separation with E10 fuel

    When E10 gasoline comes into contact with water, ethanol will allow fuel to absorb some or all of that water. This is actually somewhat beneficial, but fuel can reach a saturation point and water can phase separate to form a distinct layer in the bottom of the tank. The upper “gasoline” layer will be depleted of ethanol and have a reduced octane level. The lower “phase separation” layer will be a corrosive mix of water and ethanol. No chemical agent or fuel additive can be added to E10 gasoline, in a reasonable quantity, that will fully prevent phase separation or recombine a phase-separated layer.

    Winter storage of ethanol-blended gas

    Seasonal storage with E10 fuel is another likely time for problems. During storage, fuel will tend to oxidize; it will become “sour”, and may absorb water from condensation. Water-holding capacity of E10 fuel is reduced with lower temperatures, so phase separation is more likely with winter temperatures. E10 can hold approximately 0.5% water at 60°F (.64 ounces in a gallon, or 12 ounces of water in a 20-gallon gas tank), but can only hold about 0.35% water at 20°F (.45 ounces in a gallon).

    Happy Trails”
     
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  3. Super unleaded will stay the same for 5 years, this website has some useful information --> https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/...vKwR8lNE3CGbx7A3UCe5w4Y-svPCDjWds-9Qma-an9DP8


     
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  4. Esso say their Synergy 99 is ethanol free.
     
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  5. According to gov website, panigale not compatible as I’m guessing plastic tank. Well done Ducati, knew it was coming, and didn’t -pan ahead (if that’s the case)!

    2 bikes and neither usable once it all goes E10 :rolleyes::poop:
     
  6. I think Esso have to legally label some of their fuel as e5 etc but contains no ethanol.
    Read it in motorcycle periodical.
    But if it was MCN then probably bolloxs.
     
  7. Following quote from Esso

     
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  8. Surly E10 can't damage plastic tanks. All cars now have plastic fuel tanks.:thinkingface:
     
  9. Yeah this is what I’ve been thinking doesn’t make sense, is it all just scaremongering?
     
  10. Isn’t that what has done Ducati’s in over the last 15 yrs? Eth in fuel causing expanding tanks? My monster has one, it’s ok but not great, and early multi/848 etc were often wrecked too
     
  11. My neighbour's Monster tank has definitely expanded, as you now can't unclip the front clip without first removing the ignition barrel...
     
  12. Same as mine. Almost.
     
  13. according to that then no Panaigales are compatible :neutral:

    Ducati
    • Ducati Desmosedici 990 RR, Vehicles registered as from 18/05/2007
    • Ducati Diavel 1198, Vehicles registered as from 27/10/2010
    • Ducati Diavel 1198 ABS, Vehicles registered as from 27/10/2010
    • Ducati Diavel 1198 Diavel Carbon, Vehicles registered as from 27/10/2010
    • Ducati Diavel 1198 Diavel Carbon ABS, Vehicles registered as from 27/10/2010
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100, Vehicles registered as from 15/02/2007
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100 evo, Vehicles registered as from 02/07/2009
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100 evo SP, Vehicles registered as from 29/09/2009
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100 S, Vehicles registered as from 15/02/2007
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100 S+, Vehicles registered as from 02/07/2009
    • Ducati Hypermotard 1100+, Vehicles registered as from 02/07/2009
    • Ducati Hypermotard 796, Vehicles registered as from 02/07/2009
    • Ducati Monster 1100, Vehicles registered as from 10/07/2008
    • Ducati Monster 1100 ABS, Vehicles registered as from 14/10/2009
    • Ducati Monster 1100 evo ABS
    • Ducati Monster 1100 S, Vehicles registered as from 10/07/2008
    • Ducati Monster 1100 S ABS, Vehicles registered as from 14/10/2009
    • Ducati Monster 659
    • Ducati Monster 659 ABS
    • Ducati Monster 696, Vehicles registered as from 15/01/2008
    • Ducati Monster 696 ABS, Vehicles registered as from 14/10/2009
    • Ducati Monster 796, Vehicles registered as from 04/02/2010
    • Ducati Monster 796 ABS, Vehicles registered as from 04/02/2010
    • Ducati Multistrada 1200, Vehicles registered as from 04/12/2009
    • Ducati Multistrada 1200 ABS , Vehicles registered as from 04/12/2009
    • Ducati Multistrada 1200 S Pikes Peak Special Edition
    • Ducati Multistrada 1200 S Sport , Vehicles registered as from 04/12/2009
    • Ducati Multistrada 1200 S Touring, Vehicles registered as from 04/12/2009
    • Ducati Streetfighter 1098, Vehicles registered as from 12/01/2009
    • Ducati Streetfighter 1098 S, Vehicles registered as from 12/01/2009
    • Ducati Superbike 1098 R Corse, Vehicles registered as from 30/10/2007
    • Ducati Superbike 1198, Vehicles registered as from 03/09/2008
    • Ducati Superbike 1198 SP, Vehicles registered as from 03/09/2008
    • Ducati Superbike 848 evo, Vehicles registered as from 20/05/2010

    The information is subject to change and we cannot guarantee its accuracy. If your vehicle is fitted with replacement parts this will also affect its accuracy.

    DfT and its partners will not be liable for any damage to your vehicle as a result of you using this service.

    !WarningIt's your responsibility to make sure you use the right fuel for your vehicle.
     
  14. Might be of some interest, or perhaps someone who works in the industry could shed some light, but I have been testing (and removing the ethanol where required from) petrol since the beginning of September.

    At the beginning of the month there was indeed ethanol in E5 petrol at about 4 or 5%. However, I guess Grangemouth must have run out of ethanol as, the past 3 times E5 has contained precisely zero ethanol and the time before that it was about 1.5% by volume.

    As an experiment, a few days ago I bought some E10 and tested it. A rough measurement gave a result of about 4.5% ethanol, again by volume. This is from local(ish) Shell and Esso stations.

    Perhaps ethanol deliveries are not a priority at the moment.
     
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  15. It will take time to mix up in the tanks at petrol stations they are 1000s of litres big
    It will be diluting as it mixes with what is already in tanks
    Probably quicker after last couple days
     
  16. 23 000 in a road tanker. Non in my BMW. No idea how much in the Ducati, fuel gauge about as useful as tits on a kipper. Triumph on fumes. Car quarter full. 5 litres for the lawn mower and usual evidence burning activities.:)
     
  17. The list stops at 2010 because all vehicles manufactured from 2011 had to run on E10. Andy
     
  18. I provided this information on another thread and thought it might be of interest here. Since I'm not sure how to link to other threads, I have reproduced it below.

    I hope it helps, and my apologies for any duplication.

    The following information on Ethanol content of Petrol may be of interest, particularly for the premium grades and supply location in the UK:

    https://www.esso.co.uk/en-gb/fuels/petrol

    https://support.shell.com/hc/en-gb/articles/115005935369-What-is-Ethanol-

    https://www.bp.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/products-and-services/e10-petrol.html#accordion_Is%20my%20petrol%20car%20compatible%20with%20E10?

    https://texaco.co.uk/pages/e10.aspx

    The link below is to a website that is monitoring fuel ethanol levels at locations in UK:

    http://www.ethanil.co.uk/league-table/

    Links to Government information are:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e10-petrol-explained

    www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-e10-petrol

    I think there is more information available on this subject elsewhere on this forum.

    For what its worth, Esso Synergy Supreme+ 99 has been my preference for sometime, including overwintering.

    It's also worth noting that this information does not apply elsewhere in Europe, so taking a fuel additive on your trip might be worth considering?

    Hope this helps.

    Tom.
     
  19. Just adding my tuppence on fuel tanks swelling due to ethanol. It all depends on whether the tank is made from cross linked polyethylene or not. Around 2009 Ducati started specifying ones made from cross linked PE as it had become apparent ethanol in fuel was causing some issues. These tanks will be stamped XLPE, PEX or XPE. Also cross linked PE can’t be painted so if your tank is covered with painted plastic parts it’s most likely XLPE, if it’s plastic and painted it’s most likely not the cross linked stuff. If it is the cross linked stuff then E10 will be fine in there - if you can buy it at present.

    This information was shared elsewhere, I just learned from there.
     
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