1199 Dry Clutch Conversion?

Used in MotoGP for the following reasons.

1. Cleaner oil.
2. Removes fluid drag thus sapping engine power. Not much but in MotoGP everything little helps.
3. Easier maintenance.
4. Look cool as fuck. Very important

Things against is heat and longevity. Wet clutches last longer and oil cools more efficiently than air. Most dry clutches are run with open covers.

 

Very cool indeed.
I doubt the additional noise of an open/dry clutch would have any impact on noise testing given it’s a Pani and not a 748/9**
If you do it please post up.

 

I have the STM upgrade on my V4S. Love it…

I can't imagine the power gains/savings are much.... Maybe comparable with a V8 being dragged down by running aircon But MotoGP, or any racing for that matter, every marginal gain helps....

 

Christ no, I run termi uscite (unbaffled) so a rattly clutch won't make much difference. That said, the STM sounds less agricultural than my 1098R did.

 

+1 for the STM. Andy

 

As my bike is track only, I convinced myself it made sense. Err, if you exclude cost....

 

I must be one of those who can eff off to another manufacturer but I don't understand the desire for them on road bikes - I much prefer to hear the exhaust.

 

Very interested in this @Nathanhu. Been considering getting one for my 1199 over the winter.

 

Have a look at the kits in detail. From what I can see, the 0400 SBK includes the replacement case to make things oil tight and the 0500 GP doesn't. Have only looked at them on my phone so could be wrong. Andy

 

For a street bike its mostly nostalgia, wet clutches are far superior in daily use. The reasons for dry are mostly justifications. If you want to mimic MotoGP, have something a bit different and spend bike dollars go for it. However it's not going to make a gnats cock worth of difference to performance or longevity, it will however rattle and look cool and thats not a bad thing

MotoGP have specific reasons for dry that don't apply for street use but if you race your bike and are an expert level rider backing it in every turn and doing super aggressive starts then maybe there is some advantage.

 

let's get all the worms out then:- not so much on motorbikes, and definitely linked to efficiency of design and cooling, but generally wet clutches tend to handle larger amounts of torque better so let's not write them off entirely. On the drag front, generalising again - the dry clutch definitely has it though, as hinted at and although meagre, the benefits are easily measurable on a larger capacity bike.

 

£2.5k to change something, that has no benefit on a road bike. Doesn't bother me what people spend their money on, and probably looks/sounds good outside the coffee shop....

 

To me it would be about nostalgia now, roll back 20+ years when I had a 996 and several later models the dry clutch was the dogs danglies, I'd be chucking money at slippers, red pressure plates, billet open covers etc, heck I even had a factory corse job from GSE. They were really easy to work on, no oil, no gaskets, strip/clean and rebuild in 30 mins, good clutch holding tool to get to the bearings/ramps on a slipper - happy days.

When the Pani was launched and the dry clutch had gone I have to say I was disappointed, it was one of the things that made Ducati a Ducati, you could argue the trellis frame was too. However the reality for me is it's just less hassle out of the box.

Would I spend money converting it? Probably not if I am honest. If I had a Pani that had a dry clutch (SP etc) I'd embrace it, but there's a lot you can spend that money on improving a bike that will have significant noticeable gains over a dry clutch.

God I must be getting old!!

 

I was commenting on his former riding talent thats all.

if I offended you or anyone else on this forum inadvertently then please accept my most sincere apologies.

either way, another one for the ignore list for both of us i think.

@Nathanhu sorry for bringing vagina sand into your thread.