Hi Everyone. In desperate need of help and knowledge. I've just bought a 2019 Panigale V4 Speciale with 5 miles on the clock. I put this in to Ducati dealer to get a proper check over. Fluids changed etc. It has the full Akrapovic system fitted and not after new battery fitted won't start and causing engine management light to come on. Ducati thinks it's because it still has the standard map installed. I've now learned that I didn't get given the DDS Map key for the bike and doesn't look like I'll be able to get it either. Ducati aren't giving me another option. Does anyone know a way around this or would anyone have the DDS Map Key with the Akrapovic map on it? From what I've been told it's a one map on one map off kind of deal? Any help or information would be very much appreciated.
I have a full system ordered, not on a Panigale, and the dealer wanted my vin number as the map is kept at Ducati and can only be loaded using the vin registered with them. This can be accessed by any dealer who can load the map using the DDA. If you sell the exhaust you give them the new vin so the new owner can get the map loaded.
I was told by the Ducati dealer I needed the bike specific DDS Map Key to be able to upload the map to the bike. I thought the DDA was the analyser and something completely different? The DDS Map Key didn't come with the bike. Apologies for seemingly like a numpty but this is all new to me.
The days of getting a ‘key’ are long gone even in 2019… or 2018 when your bike was built.. if it had the Akra exhaust supplied by a Ducati dealer they would of loaded the factory map to go with that exhaust specific to your bike. Some say you got issued with a code that meant the dealer could put it back to std though I’ve never seen that occur. which dealer?
I bought it from the bike specialist Sheffield. The guy that owned the bike prior just had the exhaust fitted for aesthetics. I know nothing more than that an obviously pissed that I’ve got this nightmare now. I got absolutely everything that comes with the Speciale but didn’t know about this DDS map key. I need to know how to fix this or I’ll have to return the bike and get my money back which I don’t really want to do. I’m hoping there’s a way round it but Ducati Dundee don’t seem to have an answer.
So I think you probably need to take a step back and let’s understand exactly what means what and what the problem is so you have bought a bike from a recognised dealer and it doesn’t run? Or did it run after where you got it from then you went to a dealer and they changed the battery now it doesn’t run?
When just an exhaust is changed that wouldn’t stop the bike from running it just wouldn’t run to the best until it has tge correct fuelling and mapping. With fitting a different exhaust to a v4 there are some things you can remove where the wiring for these needs a blanking plug to fool the bike or this is achieved in the uploaded map. Without these you get all sorts of errors who changed the battery and if that was a Ducati dealer they can plug into your bike to say what the error codes are and even what mapping system is on your bike.
I bought the bike from Sheffield with 5 miles on it. Got it up the road and started for first time out of the van. Had a fault code. Ran a bit lumpy but I put 6 miles on it and seemed ok. But not the best running. As I’m away at work now abroad I got the bike I bought the bike and brought it back up in a van. First time starting it it had a fault code. I ran it for 6 miles to see if it would clear and it didn’t. It ran ok but a bit lumpy especially on idle. I then had it taken to the nearest Ducati dealer to get the code checked. All the fluids changed as it sat for 6 years. Fuel was removed and additive added. Fault code was the exhaust servo motor still fitted even though the full Akra system was fitted. I bought the bike with the full system already fitted. Ducati dude cleared the code and it ran much better. They advices that the battery was a bit temperamental and not taking a charge. So I said fit a new one last minute before it was getting picked up to be dropped back at my house. Ducati fitted the battery and said it didn’t start then it did but is struggling. Under investigation they said the bike still had the standard map installed so did I have the DDS MAP KEY. This is first I knew about this key and didn’t get it with the bike. So the bike has the full Akra system fitted but the standard map and it runs like a bag of shit. Ducati Dundee are saying there’s nothing they can do to fix this with out this DDS MAP KEY. He suggesting going on a forum and seeing if anyone has a key with the Alkra map on it. My understanding from him is it’s one map on one map off kind of deal but I’m struggling to understand why if you lose this DSS MAP KEY then you’re completely screwed.
So the maps uploaded by a genuine Ducati dealer can only be purchased when you get an exhaust from them of course it’s possible to get an Akra exhaust without a map. I’m absolutely flabbergasted tge place you bought the bike from let it go out the door in this state! Shame on them. your options are to get a aftermarket map from a variety of suppliers, there are numerous to suit your bike. you could of course get it dynoed. it needs looking at to establish exactly what’s connected and what isn’t and remove the unnecessary stuff. then if you are handy with a computer you can upload your own map from termignoni and others. my choice would be Deussen engines https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16JeoRantF/?mibextid=wwXIfr
If the previous owner, as you say, fitted the Akra system solely for aesthetics, and if the correct map hasn’t been loaded onto the bike then I’m guessing the PO purchased the system 2nd hand from a private individual, not from a Ducati dealer, and possibly installed it himself. If he’d purchased it new from a dealer the correct map would have been loaded into the ECU. The exhaust servo error is most likely because the valve isn’t in the full system and the Bowden cable has simply been disconnected thus the servo motor doesn’t get the expected resistance, thinks the valve is broken, and throws an error code. Your only option is really to pay a Ducati dealer to supply and install the map, or do as Andy has suggested and get it dyno’d and a custom map done. Either way, you really ought be speaking with the seller as you’ve bought something that’s not what you thought it was.
IIRC, the Speciale came with the Akro as part of the package? The V4 doesn’t have a map key. It’s all software based and activated by registering the vin and then the dealer diagnostics can be used to install the map. With the exhaust being part of the Speciale package, the vin may already be registered? If so, the map upload would be possible? I can’t say for sure without knowing the history of the bike though.
So all i s not lost its just a case of getting a map from another supplier? And how would I upload this may onto the bike?
Yes Im waiting for the seller to get back to me. Hoping he has it at the place I bought it or if not contact the previous owner. All extra hassle could be done without. As you mentioned about the dealer supplying and installing the map. they say they can't do this? They need the DDS Map Key for the bike. Hence the reason I'm asking if there's another option. I find it impossible to believe they can't fix this problem but speaking to them on the phone today they've basically said there's no option and I should try sourcing one somewhere or ask for advice.
Yes exactly this. So there's hope? I really don't know how to go about with this but Ducati Seem like they don't know how to fix this or get round it. Must be some way surely? How do I find out if the VIN has been registered?
Have you tried contacting Ducati customer service? Go here and click the 'fill the contact form' link at the bottom of the page. Explain that you're not getting a satisfactory anwser/solution from your dealer.
yep easy peasy you get supplied with a hand held device you upload and download information with the device connected to the internet and then the bike. It is a simple process. If you are not that way inclined and it’s your first Ducati I would send the bike to a proper trusted Ducati person and pay them to sort it .. or given the shit state your supposed professional motorcycle dealer supplied it to you in .. I would send it back get your money back and get a 2022 on bike from a trusted quality source!
If he went to a genuine Ducati dealer they should of been able to tell him this! When you say Ducati say they can't fix this ....ah Ducati Dundee. Thats not a knife...
the V4 Akra mapping is a bit of a pain and own goal from Ducati, as it complicates the issue when selling the bike /exhaust later.. there are also differences on the Euro 4 and Euro 5 bikes/maps so be carful if you get one offered for sale. I may have a map code for a Euro 4 bike available as cant use it on my euro 5 bike. but im investigating at the moment on if the code is valid/available for use. I would also not fret too much, my v4s runs fine with a full akra fitted and no map, only the engine light is lit as the complete exhaust valve module is removed and no emulator is fitted, bike runs fine and has done a few high speed autobahn runs already without issue.
