thats cos wsb's a complete snooze fest and the riders have about as much personality as a paper clip didnt seem to fare so badly when senor fogarty was packing brands hatch and the like out in the 90's
Well put, I had started to type in something similar a few hours back in reply, but couldn't be bothered to really counter the reasoning behind the argument and gave up. Why not make MotoGP along the lines of "It's a Knockout" where every rider has to be of a different nationality? That seemed to be the point of the post and the reason for my indifference in replying. Thanks for helping me out.
You got me on that one...im not disrespecting mexican motogp riders im sure they have some very fast ones,it was just a example.
Being popular in Spain won't keep MotoGP in business,and btw I was not implying that riders should be all of different nationalities.If thats what you interpreted you were mistaken.(rest assured if that was the point I was trying to make I would have made it obvious).But would you be watching if it was an ALL Spanish grid? Or if ALL of the works rides were taken by one nations riders? Motorcycle racing was incredibly popular,(far more than it is now), throughout Europe back in the GP days,drawing mega crowds not only for the World Championships but also for series like the Transatlantic Trophy:even with snow on the ground Mallory was packed to the rafters,most spectators on bikes too.A lot of Brits planned their holidays around that short series-all the top yanks vs all the top Brits at the beginning. Many of my generation stopped being interested when almost all of the works rides were taken by Americans...and then when Honda spat out the dummy and said they'd piss off unless two strokes were banned,the FIM capitulated and moto-cross crowds dwindled too. If people have got someone to cheer for,especially if they have a chance of winning,then the crowds will come. If there's going to be an endless procession of Spanish riders winning and no one else has a chance,a lot of people stop watching...and if they don't pay their BT and MotoGP subs,Dorna will have to sit up and take notice.
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That was your post and you seem to be getting your knickers in a twist becasue I "face palmed it". Nothing has been misunderstood. It's ridiculous thinking.
LOL not at all old bean. As you pointed out to someone else earlier in the thread,they hadn't actually addressed the comments you had made. And as you hadn't addressed the point I had made,I felt that the 2015 entry list might be useful in further illustrating the point. No problem if you disagree,but I would appreciate hearing your view on why you think it's a ridiculous idea,rather than a lofty,"I can't be bothered". Also,just because I punt a suggestion into the discussion,doesn't mean I believe it's necessary,or workable,or even worthwhile. But I don't suggest it lightly,I do it because I've been thinking about something and I'd like to comment on it. And what I was thinking was,"would the current Valencia results controversy have occurred if the the first three places had been taken by riders of different nationalities"? Or are Rossi fans whinging simply because it's three Spaniards? And then when I looked at the entry list,I noted how many Spanish riders ride in MotoGP and how many are riding works bikes. Which made me wonder whether this was acceptable:not because they are Spanish,but how many riders from one nation would be acceptable to the viewing public. Which led me on to thinking : as good as Marquez is,would he be an,"alien",if he wasn't on a works Honda?.He's been beaten plenty of times by other riders in the smaller classes,so if the riders who beat him were on works Honda's too,would they be able to stay with him? A good many of us fervently desire seeing a Brit on the top step of the podium,(thats human nature),but that chance may never come if they don't get the best machinery,or at least an opportunity to ride it.
That's a good and interesting article with an interesting thesis. Unfortunately, having told us that BSB is a lot more successful in GB than WSBK, he then completely ignores this when trying to make his point about heroes and villains so I am still none the wiser as to what "entertainment" has been created with BSB which hasn't been created in WSBK. Are there heroes and villains in BSB? I don't really follow it at all. The WSBK races I have watched have been on French Eurosport. You can sense the commentators' ennui with a series where all the podium places are consistently filled by Brits. Do they really care if Rea beats Sykes? No. What interests them is Guintoli, but unfortunately, Guintoli was pretty much nowhere to be seen this year. And I confess that my interest is pretty much limited to Chaz Davies on the Ducati. When all the other riders are Brits and not on Ducatis I don't much care who wins. I've been to see WSBK a few times over the years at Monza, Hockenheim or Magny Cours. It used to be a great event with real atmosphere back in the Foggy Falappa Slight days, but now? Pfffff... Having a dominance of Spaniards in MotoGP doesn't do the sport any favours. But things are looking up. Moto 3 is not dominated by Spaniards and that is the future. The Moto 2 champ is French and Swiss and Brit contenders have won races this year, so it's not a one-way street there either. I suspect Spanish domination will wane just as American or Australian domination did. These eras come around and then disappear.
It is true that eras wax and wane. The difference is that a Spanish company, Dorna, controls racing - this was never true of the Americans, Australians, etc. If it becomes apparent to Dorna that their commercial interests are best served by not having GP dominated by Spanish riders, will they turn out to be more motivated by nationalism or by greed?
World championship racing is dominated by Spaniards in almost every category, whether trials, MX, or road racing, because they start 'em young in so many junior championships (Marco Morelli is a National Champion in the 4 to 7 yr old category at 5 years of age!). The weather is also in their favour so that doting parents need not fret over little Pancho sliding off in the wet every other weekend. There has always been genuine fanaticism for 2 wheel sport and that creates a seemingly annual crop of next generation World Champs, so until we have global warming throwing us a hand with the weather, British business and industry willing to sponsor anything and everything to do with the sport, parents willing to make sacrfices to invest in expensive kit, or find sponsors, then give up their time to lug their children to races, organising bodies to lay on championships in every region, I suppose we'd better get used to seeing Spanish domination on starting grids, because whether we like it or not, that is where the talent is largely going to come from for the forseeable future
Well, apart from the disturbing issue of you refering to me as "Old Bean" twice now (do you really talk like that?), bringing up images in my head of you sitting there in a cravat and smoking jacket. You seem determined to debate me on this. I really was indifferent to your post, but even that seems to have upset you. I merely placed a "Face Palm" on this post ..."Maybe there should be a limit on how many riders of one nationality get the works rides. Don't know if it would be legal,or how it could be enforced,but at least there would be a chance of a few different anthems being played"..... as it's an unworkable, unnecessary and stupid idea. The rides in MotoGp are determined by talent, commercial interests, sponsorship, personaility, pedigree and a host of other aspects in this capitalist world of ours. However my "Face Plant" seems to have stirred your juices. However I'll indulge you and give 10 mins of my time. Ok..."Maybe there should be a limit on how many riders of one nationality get the works rides." These are currently the works rides. I've indulged you and included the factory rides with concessions. That's 17 bikes. Repsol Honda (Factory class) Movistar Yamaha (Factory class) Ducati Team (Factory class) Suzuki (Factory class) Aprilia Gresini (Factory class) Marc VDS Honda (Factory class) Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (Factory class) Pramac Ducati (Factory class) LCR Honda (Factory class) However you said "at least there would be a chance of a few different anthems being played" Well if you want to hear anthems played, you have to be on a winning bike. Can you name the recent winning bikes? ..............I'll tell you. In 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, Repsol Honda & Movistar / Yamaha Factory Racing won every single race. The rest have picked up nothing, zero, zilch, f**k all. The last time anything other than these 4 bikes won was in 2010 by a certain remarkable Mr. Stoner on a Doocati. So how do you decide who gets these 4 bikes? Nothing else is going to win a race. Currently there are 3 Spaniards and 1 Italian in the hot seats. If you include Doocati who look the most likely to break the monopoly of the top 2 teams, you then have 3 Italians and 3 Spaniards with the rides. This is clearly not acceptable in your world. So, we'd have to have a cull. Dovi & Ianonne would have to go obviously leaving Rossi. As for the Spaniards, well Dani is off to Marbella beach selling donkey rides to tourists I'm afraid, which leaves Lorenzo (The World Champion) and Marquez (Probably the best in the world right now). You'd have to get rid of Marquez as the champ has to have a crack at defending his title. Then we come around on how to decide who gets the rides. I can't think of any other deserving way other than world population. Talent doesn't come into it in your new system So here are the figures... Country Population Pop % 1 China 1,373,140,000 18.9% 2 India 1,279,940,000 17.6% 3 United States 322,216,000 4.42% 4 Indonesia 255,461,700 3.51% 5 Brazil 205,180,000 2.82% 6 Pakistan 188,925,000 2.59% 7 Nigeria 182,202,000 2.5% 8 Bangladesh 159,353,000 2.19% 9 Russia 146,433,580 2.01% 10 Japan 126,890,000 1.74% 11 Mexico 121,005,000 1.66% 12 Philippines 102,340,700 1.41% 13 Vietnam 90,730,000 1.25% 14 Ethiopia 90,076,012 1.24% 15 Egypt 89,838,000 1.23% 16 Germany 81,197,500 4 1.11% 17 Iran 78,781,000 1.08% 18 Turkey 77,695,904 1.07% 19 Congo 77,267,000 1.06% 20 France 67,107,000 0.91% 21 Thailand 65,104,000 0.89% 22 United Kingdom 64,800,000 0.89% 23 Italy 60,725,000 0.83% 24 South Africa 54,956,900 0.75% 25 Myanmar 53,897,000 0.74% 26 Tanzania 53,470,000 0.73% 27 South Korea 51,482,816 0.71% 28 Colombia 48,390,100 0.664% 29 Spain 46,439,864 0.64% 30 Kenya 46,050,000 0.63% Hang on ! Italy has 0.83% of the worlds population and Spain has 0.64%. Both of these countries are grossly misrepresented and their seats should be lost. Pakistan, Banglidesh and The People's Republic of Congo have more citizens for goodness sake. So based on these figures the factory bikes would be split as follows. China - 3, India - 3, That's the top 6 rides taken care of nicely, so the rest should be, USA - 1 (yay, welcome back Nicky) I have to start rounding down now, but these countries get 1 ride each. Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Philipines, Vietnam. Quite rightly there are no places for the riders who unfairly have been dominating the top rides, those from Spain, Italy, UK, Australia. Hmm, maybe all a bit harsh. We should probably allow Spaniards in after all, as they are really good at riding motorbikes and I like to watch them. But how many in your world? There are clearly too many, so what would have happened 3 years back when Marc Marquez came knocking on the door to play. P**s off, said Carmelo Ezpeleta, we've already got 8 Spaniards, there's no room for you. But I'm really good said Marquez. That doesn't come into it sonny, you haven't got a Chinese passport, run along. I could keep going. But is that ridiculous enough for you, Old Bean?
