Hi all, First post here so be gentle! I couldn't find anything using search so hoping someone might be able to help... TL;DR: Will a set of 2006 Paul Smart gauges (made by Digitek) work with my 2004 Monster 620ie ECU (presumably made by Magnetti Marelli)? If it's only a case of working around the ECU pairing issue, who can do this in the UK? So, I bought my Monster in a bit of a sorry state a few years back and have just finished a bit of a restoration job on it. One of the outstanding niggles is a cracked left-hand instrument case lens. I've been hunting for a replacement case for ages, but the only ones that come up are either silly money or a different design that won't fit my existing gauge internals. In the course of my unsuccessful hunting around I've ended up with an empty case from a 2006-era Monster 620 and a set of Paul Smart gauges (with the white retro dials and chrome bezels). The Paul Smart's have a totally different rear casing and won't fit the Monster, and my existing internals won't fit in the later Monster case, so I was going to sell both of these back on eBay. However, I just realised the Paul Smart case front and internals will fit the rear part of the empty case I have, so I could physically mount the Paul Smart gauges on my Monster after all. I know the gauges and ECU are paired so this is not a plug and play job, but I also noticed the Paul Smart gauges are made by Digitek, not Magnetti Marelli, which could also be a problem. So, does anyone know whether these gauges would work with my ECU? The connector is the same, though I've not been able to confirm whether the pinouts match. Also, does anyone in the UK do a reputable gauge/ECU pairing service, ideally transferring my existing mileage? If it's going to be big money (i.e., new gauges money!) then I guess I'll need to keep looking for a case that'll fit... Cheers! Mike
The issue with the clocks and the ecu relates to the immobiliser. If the ecu doesn't recognise the clocks or the chip in the key then it won't allow the bike to start. I know Chris at CJS can modify the stock ECU to remove the immobiliser which should allow you to fit any clocks you like.
It should be doable. A quick comparison of the wiring diagrams indicates that they share the same pin outs on the 26 way plug to the clocks. You can get the wiring diagrams by going to the Ducati Maintenance Site and downloading the handbook for each bike. There doesn't appear to be any Can Bus on either bike so this won't be a problem. The only issue will be the coded clocks and ECU. As said the immo can be disabled in the ECU and on some bikes this is sufficient to allow the bike to be started with non-matching clocks, even no clocks. There are companies that can remove the immo from the clocks as well. Ideally you should buy some clocks with at least one coded key and then get the immo disabled in the ECU. If you have the old clocks then it may be possible to transfer the immo eeprom between circuit boards. That would take skilled soldering to execute. The below can advise on what can be done. Scorpio Electronics
Yes, I've done a fair bit of research on that. I wondered for a while if I could use my code card to disable the immobiliser using the throttle method, but it seems this is only temporary I'll check out CJS (Racing?) and see what's involved... Cheers! Mike
Thanks for the info about the pinouts - I have the Haynes manual with the pinouts for my bike but never realised the pinouts were in the back of the handbooks too.... duh! Unfortunately I have no keys for the Paul Smart clocks, but I have all the keys and code card for my bike which hopefully will help. It probably makes most sense to get the ECU immo removed as this is the one that causes the problems, and this allows me to run any clocks as you say. Then again, I'd ideally like my mileage transferred from my old to my new clocks, so perhaps it would be worth leaving the ECU as is and getting the new clocks coded for my existing keys and ECU with an EEPROM swap/re-program, assuming it's possible. The fact that the clocks are made by a different company makes me sceptical that this would work, but we'll see! I'll get hold of Scorpio (and CJS Racing mentioned above) and see what they can do... If it's too expensive, maybe I'll have to commit my code and the emergency immobiliser disable to memory and do that every time I want to start the bike! Thanks! Mike
I emailed Scorpio and CJS Racing today so we'll see what they come back with. However, I decided to plug the Paul Smart gauges in this evening to make sure they actually worked and I'm starting to wonder if they're actually brand new and unpaired. When I connected them and turned on the ignition (just with my usual black key to try and avoid messing anything up) I got the immobiliser light and engine warning light come on, which was pretty much expected. What I didn't expect was that the gauges started doing the countdown procedure. As I understand it, this is what happens with brand new unpaired gauges if you buy them as a replacement from Ducati. They also showed 0 miles on the clock. Can anyone confirm how to tell if you have brand new gauges, vs already paired ones? I don't want to go through the key programming sequence just to find it still doesn't work, and I can't go back to using my old gauges! Cheers, Mike
Right, I plucked up the courage to have another play and found that, despite the key countdown and 0 miles shown on the clock, my bike remains immobilised and won't start. Presumably this means the gauges have previously been paired, as I believe brand new gauges should allow the bike to start even if you haven't gone through the key pairing sequence. Can anyone confirm that? I could start it after doing the throttle immobiliser disable procedure though, so at least I know the gauges work!
