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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. That the EU rules appertaining to tax free trade have not changed is hardly a surprise. Did anyone really expect them to change their entire ideology because Britain left?

    The transition period is the minimum amount of time it will take the government to create, and staff border & immigration, customs, based on the speed that they are achieving on most of their objectives like debt reduction, immigration, house building etc. Lets face it Universal Credit was supposed to be actioned in 2013, and now will not be fully operational countrywide until 2022 which is nine years!.

    Before anyone says "Well Corbyn would be worse" it's possible -maybe probable- but also irrelevant given that he is not in government.
     
    #9021 Jez900ie, Sep 24, 2017
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  2. There are two sides to the story though. We have a high proportion of British people who leave school and are pretty much unemployable as are their parents and those before them.

    On the other side we have a big proportion of British people and multinational companies who have no intention of ever paying their correct or fair share of tax.

    Those two groups are a huge burden on the system and both are holding the Country back whilst those in the middle fund both of them. Both are as bad as each other.

    Ultimately the money will run out.
     
  3. And this is the problem, they both need telling and dealing with.

    Yet it's easier to attack the higher end and the corporates as that's seen as fair game.

    However if you try to suggest doing anything about the benefit society you get shot down in seconds.

    Labour have always turned a blind eye to the benefit problem and the Tories a blind eye to the corporate side.
     
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  4. They have both turned a blind eye to both as its all part of the system of keeping it the same.

    One could provide the funding to sort the other but they are not interested.

    Problem with the benefit system is that it has been allowed to carry on for so long it would be almost impossible to fix it now. Who would want to employ someone with no skills and no desire to improve their lot? And in any case where will the jobs come from? The system seems to have a desire to put ever more people out of work to benefit a very few.
     
  5. What tosh and the usual anarchist handbook bollocks. The majority of people on benefits are not the teenagers and young.

    In 2013 the poverty action group released figures that showed that those between 16-24 totalled 6% of benefits spending meaning that 94% was by 25-64 and the largest subgroup was 45-54.

    http://www.poverty.org.uk/13/index.shtml#g3

    I do not feel the kids are unemployable even with the amount of special snowflakes. Sure far too many think social media is a genuine career where for almost all, it will not be but there are still kids coming through that realise college and uni are not the only option to gain a successful and well paid career. Yes they have moved onto the digital age far quicker than we expected and many lack the basic skills or attention span but, they are that way because as a society we have allowed it.

    That said, we in the U.K. have one of the lowest youth unemployment rates in europe, http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05871

    Yes some families have been from school to grave benefits claimants and some of those have also have large families raised on benefits where some of their children will also lead that life but those numbers are dwindling

    I do not agree the political system is broken, society is. Politics has only ever been able to please the majority of the people the majority of the time, absolutely no system will ever produce 100% political happiness 100% of the time. We as a people have moved from a we to a me generation, Brexit may just be the last democratic vote where enough people said we instead of me. Most of the most vocal and continual whinge bags are doing so because they do not like it themselves so feck everyone else.

    Brexit exemplifies the worst period in history of the moany bitchy losers of democratic votes so lets ruin a country, just like a violent teen who doesn't get their way so smashes a shop window. For them, they want the deal to go tits up just so they can say I told you so. They have no love for country, community or "we" let alone their own future kin because they are so obsessed with "me", that they are those who bathe in schadenfreude and the only thing that makes them happy, prozac and even that will struggle
     
    #9025 noobie, Sep 24, 2017
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  6. Excellent analysis Noob but I wonder whether in a lot of cases it may be worse than me me. I think there's a powerful element of you you, them them: "I hate them, I hate you and everything you espouse because that is what is expected of me according to the traditions of the political tribe I have adopted. I don't know why, I just do and say whatever the head of my tribe tells me I should. So anything you support I will oppose. Against every opinion you hold I will adopt the opposite position without further analysis. I will stick my fingers in my ears, shout tra-la-la and drown you out. I'd never thought about it (whatever issue it is) until I found out you were in favour and now I find I'm passionately against and vice versa".
     
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  8. Quick topic change for a minute.

    Looks like Merkel is reported to have 'won' another term at the helm, although I do find it confusing nowadays as to when a win isn't a win but it's a lose.

    Apparently her parties worst result since 1945 and now looking like she'll need a multi party alliance, but again all still being reported as a win.
     
  9. Merkel had lowest % vote for many years
    May had highest % vote for many years
    Merkel 32% BBC says it's victory
    May 42% BBC says Corbyn almost won

    Oh what a wonderful world,is the world of the BBC [​IMG]
     
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  10. The enemy of my enemy can still be a twat as well :upyeah:

     
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  11. Rather an issue of perspective?
    Call an election with a clear majority and 3+ years left of your term.
    Return to Parliament forced into coalition.
    Hard to celebrate a victory?
     
  12. For the largest part of Merkels premiership it has been as a coalition with the second largest being the coalition party. This election, the second largest has said it no longer wants to be a coalition party partner

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    Merkel has already said she refuses to work with the adf so that leaves her seeking a treble coalition with the left and green parties, think May and the dup.

    Why is this important? Merkel was seen as the rock of the eu, she still is in a sense, but there is no doubt her ability rating has subsided substantially and she is at risk at home now in a way she wasn't before. Then there is the historic adf wins On Merkels watch, a group considered the far right * who has not held a place in the German parliament since ww2

    * far right these days seems to be thrown at anyone who looks at real problems and offers obvious solutions
     
    #9033 noobie, Sep 25, 2017
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  13. Something that hasn't been touched on, overseas foreign charities claiming uk charity tax relief.

    A good example is Médecins Sans Frontières who are a Swiss charity that has offices also in London

    The new provisions - Schedule 6, Finance Act 2010 when introduced stated

    When brought fully into force, the provisions will change the meaning of "charity" for most tax purposes under UK law so that a "charity" for these purposes will no longer be limited to organisations established within the UK, but can also extend to qualifying organisations across the EU and, at present, Norway and Iceland. This was ratified the Court of Justice of the European Communities.

    We won't be in the eu or beholding to such tax evasion no longer by foreign charities taking money away from the British taxpayers, or will we ?
     
    #9034 noobie, Sep 26, 2017
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  14. 08D774AA-9C95-4A0D-BA5A-51677AF4FF6A.jpeg It's ok though, Juncker....,ahem, I mean Macron has a plan.

    What's more I can hardly believe the Jesus esq image that the Guardian has used for this piece, I mean seriously?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ion-macron-lays-out-vision-for-post-brexit-eu

    Mr Juncker a week or so ago seemed to let it slip, which many of us put down to him being drunk again.

    But this from Macron shows the inner circle has been wanting this for a very long time
     
    #9035 damodici, Sep 26, 2017
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  15. He's a knob end. He's trying a divert using brexit to avoid being honest by telling the Frenchies that working more than the 35 hour national average per week, will be good for them
     
  16. "Deeper integration to win back the support of disgruntled citizens...."

    Yeah that'll do it.
    The natives are restless because they've just not getting enough Europe. The supranational, anti-democratic, authoritarian experiment in neo-soviet misery just isn't ploughing ahead fast enough. People are impatient to see the dissolution of the nations they were born into. They yearn for the abolition of their cultural identity, the surrender of their right to self-determination, the right to set their own laws and manage their own economies in their own interests. They clamour for the trampling of their borders, the evisceration of their governments and national Parliaments. What they hunger for is imperial rule by a new Reich Chancellery, a self-appointed, old, and bibulous politburo. A Fourth Reich, that's what the people demand and they won't be happy till they get it and they can gather in the Grand Place in Brussels and sing Ode to Joy in praise of the eternal republic.
    Even the UK secretly shares this glorious vision, they just want to proceed there at a slightly slower pace than everyone else.

    Dear God, how insane these people are..
     
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  18. Here we go, the usual drip, drip, drip of confidential (or should be!) agreements that the EU sources leak out. I think they are looking for a complete capitulation from the UK and it'll be that or fall out to WTO. I really don't want us to be screwed like Greece.

    Theresa May "took dictation" from the European Commission when she agreed to pay a Brexit divorce bill in her keynote Florence speech, senior sources in Brussels and EU capitals have claimed.

    The Daily Telegraph understands that Mrs May included a specific pledge to "honour commitments" made during Britain’s EU membership following high-level consultations in Brussels, Berlin and other major EU capitals.

    Oliver Robbins, the Prime Minister’s most senior Brexit official, discussed parts of the speech with his counterparts in the EU including a promise that the UK will continue to pay €10bn-a-year to Brussels in the two years after Brexit.

    The pre-agreed wording was shared with EU officials before Mrs May had even showed her Cabinet a draft of the speech the day before she delivered it.
     
  19. More like another baby girl Simpson. What a slime ball he is : unamused:
     
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