These were removed from brand new 851s years ago, and are still as bright in their original finish as they were when new. Two pairs have very minimal marks associated with the axle nuts being tightened. The third set unfortunately has a stain/mark right across the outside of one of them Brand new from Stein Dinse they are 17.30Euros each. I'd like £20 a pair including postage for each of the better sets. Or £10 for the third pair. Nasher