998 water gauge dismantling

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by David998s, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Has anyone got any experience of taking apart the 916 family's water temperature gauge? or more specifically, taking the glass lense out?

    My gauge works fine, it's just got a crack in the glass which I would like to replace. New or secondhand gauges seem to be as rare as rocking horse poo, so it's looking more like asking a gauge specialist to cut me a new glass front. Just wondered if it was as simple as it looks, to take off the black retaining collar and just slipping off the glass?...

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  2. They are crimped at the bevel (the black outer ring) so the only way to get them apart is to either cut/destroy the bevel, which is obviously not ideal if you want to put it back together again, or to cut the outer plastic case behind the bevel to pull it apart. You can then glue/tape the case back together.

    I inherited some clocks that had the faces changed, and this is how they had done them.
     
  3. they are actually assembled with a styrene type of glue and the only way to gain access to the instrument as already said, is to detach the top by neatly cutting around the whole perimeter just below the rim of the main body. You still have the problem of replacement of glass and black cover of course. The temp gauges cases fitted to early type Cagiva Mito are identical and you may be able to find a good s/hand unit for salvaging.
     
  4. I had the clock faces changed on my 998 and I watched while it was done by Superdials at the time. It's not a job for the faint hearted though. What this person did was to pierce the side of the dial with a soldering iron enough to get a thin blade under the bezel you then lever gently around it from side to side. The glue is hard so it cracks hopefully before the bezel!! but it can be done.

    The problem you will encounter though is that the bezel will come off with the lens, you cannot split them as they are sealed together, so if you have a spare bezel with lens then you can replace the unit as a whole (bezel\lens).

    It's a common problem with Ducati's and the best way round it is to get some alloy bezels and then use glass for the cover lens. I have a spare pair in Red alloy that I am going to fit when the need arises as the lenses all go eventually unless you can keep them in a stable temperature environment which is almost impossible.

    Use light grade epoxy to put them back together again.
     
  5. ^ I have tried separating black bezel on large and small gauges many times and they have cracked almost every time. It's much safer to remove the top completely if you are trying to protect the black ring. Also it's much better to split with a blade than a soldering iron. Last tacho I removed top from was by using a lathe which is best option of all.
     
  6. Well spotted, Hadn't read it, just caught my eye last night. Must be more observant.
     
  7. not at all sir, mine was intended to be non critical, just pointing out the small print, in case anyone looking for such ( such as me...) rushed in and bid.

    you spot em?, keeping posting them up please- i need water and rev counter gauges.....
     
  8. Thanks everyone, for your advice and thoughts. Much appreciated! :upyeah:

    I can't believe you found that gauge on ebay less than a day after I started this thread Birdie! I'd been looking for bloody weeks and hadn't found anything!

    I might take a punt and buy it - AA glass repair fixed a small crack in my car's windscreen a few months ago - can't see where the crack was now, so I wonder if the same can be done for the glass on these gauges?...might be worth exploring the specialist model shops to see if they have any ideas...

    Again - thanks everyone :upyeah:

    Davidx
     
  9. "They all do that sir." I have white clocks (with the obligatory crack in the temp guage glass) on my 748 and they really are rare as rocking horse sh!te so I bought a black one to donate the 'glass', however it will not come off without some pretty careful cutting so I stuck with the cracked one. I did find them to be regularly auctioned on ebay in black (both centigrade and Fahrenheit versions) and intermittently there were new ones as well, mine was only £20. You may want to be patient and keep scanning the listings for a while or find out how much a new one is. If you find anywhere that can repair the damaged one please post the details as the cracked lense seems to afflict 1 in 3 of the 748/9xx range. Good luck finding one and sorting this out.

    On glueing the bezel, the reason they crack is down to the hard glue and lack of any slack or expansion room, if you get that far I would strongly recommend a flexible glue similar to the one used for the head light shell-lense. It will allow the assembly to expand and contract and prevent the stress build up which causes the cracking.
     
  10. They are still available new, but not cheap...about 125 quid. They are a pain to open up as mentioned, but with care can be done. I've changed the dial in a few over the years. Remember though that the glass is bonded into the bezel, so getting a clean cut is only have the job. You'd need to be real careful not to break the bezel itself getting the glass out of it.
     
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  11. I had the same with my 996 and got a spare off ebay. I still have the old one but the bezel and lens are removed. Dunno if you would want it so you could try repairing it?
     
  12. I waited ages but got a water gauge off ebay for 40 quid. Quite a lot of clock sets come up complete if you watch but are near 100 quid.
     
  13. Forgot to add, I emailed one of the sellers who routinely sold clock sets and asked for a single gauge which he listed for me as a buy it now
     
  14. ive never had a problem with mine, but with these bits getting rarer and rarer i might start looking to build up a collection of spares....
     
  15. Brilliant Chris! I'm gonna buy it! YES! we DID ride to Godstone together a few years back - hahaha! I wondered if you were still on here! You'll remember I sold by 998 and left for a new 2011 Speed Triple?...well, I regretted letting my Mistress go as soon as I gave the keys to the new buyer! So this summer I had a new brick garage built with the major purpose of being able to house at least two bikes...and just a couple of months ago I went and got myself a 998s from an ebay auction! I've been grinning ever since:biggrin:. She needs a little bit of tidying up over time - the usual stone chips you'd expect from an 11yr old bike that's done 18k miles, but engine is superb and has a full service history - and one of those funny slipper-clutchy-thingies - I'd never ridden a bike with one before - it's a bloody hoot being able to take liberties with engine breaking :biggrin:

    PS. I lost contact with the chappie who bought my 998 a couple of years ago. I expect he's on here, but can't remember his name. My personal avatar is a ic of my original 998's clutch & cover - if anyone knows who owns this bike now, I'd love to hear from them....
     
  16. It's being patient and lucky enough at the right time, I suppose
     
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