Brexit Moving On

Discussion in 'Speakers Corner' started by bradders, Dec 8, 2017.

  1. FPMLS have you ever done any work with the French?! IME within the motor and financial industries, there stereotype is totally spot on.

    The technology is an argument, but as with most stats the basis of them is open for massaging for a particular standpoint
  2. The figures don’t lie.
  3. Thought I'd go and see how its calculated.

    Seems it all starts with GDP, then divided into the number of hours worked. So if a country produces lots of low value items' and works long hours, it actually means they are less productive (?!)

    Scenario seems to be:
    sell high value, low maintenance financial services (is that Luxembourg?) and have people work fewer hours because they get paid well and can afford to work less = high productivity
    sell low value, high maintenance tourism (is that Spain?) and pay people far less because the sale value is less = low productivity

    Yet the second scenario delivers more things, to more people, over longer hours and cant be done in less....

    So productivity really is a measure of the value of one unit of something produced, its not how much is produced, and the more automated and more expensive the item is, the more 'productive you are. Or employ loads of people working few hours for the same GDP and bingo :punch:

    Another 'nothing like real world' calculation to ignore then :upyeah:
  4. No1 productive country...Luxembourg...lies, damn lies & statistics

    That's beside the fact that 85% of Luxembourg's economy is based on banking. ... So, the economic output generated by these individuals are counted as domestic product for Luxembourg but the people who generate that product don't live in the country and so aren't part of its population when we calculate GDP per capita.
  5. Reports in the media today that ‘the City’ is showing stronger than ever and the EU are offering concessions as they are getting scared of a no deal and have started to offer concessions.
    We should go for no deal and pay nothing no matter what they offer o_O:upyeah:
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  6. The figures have always shown the eu will get hurt more than us BUT only if we have a wto/free trade deal THAT involves tariffs. Again being the good friend we are to our fellow europeople, we said we would wave if they did too.

    As a leaver because of the eu comission, the U.K. has largely bent over backwards, in divorce terms, we would be the nice partner leaving but wishing good terms so to remain friends, the eu has been our partner that realises or past has been a good one and the eu comission has been that shit stirring cvnt of a lawyer that wants to see everyone unhappy except themselves, and I think the 27 are waking upto that finally.

    Europe isn't junker or barnier, it's the people of the 28 and the commission are driving people away
  7. Not THOSE figures. They ALWAYS lie :upyeah:
  8. Shhhh, don't tell Dukey :eek:
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  9. The Mail and Express are for wiping your arse, not for reading. :D
  10. I normally just print your posts and use those for arse wipery duke :D

  11. I don't read papers, saw one at mothers, thing it was the FT or summit? Who told you anyway - I telt them not to :eyes:
  12. Keeping with the line of lets talk about europe's problems away from Brexit so a broader spread

    The Italian finance restructuring hasn't gone away and the eu are still refusing to play ball whilst the Italian government are keen to disrupt the eu if they do not. The eu/europe/iran sanctions are now hitting Turkey incredibly hard as Turkey continues to deal with Iran.

    Their economy is starting to show serious issues only months after the election of erdogan

    the problem for europe is two fold, european banks and the ecb have invested heavily in Turkey and on a daily basis it is going under whilst erdogans only approach seems to be, "they may have the dollar but we have god"

    In different times Turkey would have probably turned to Russia or China but both are involved in trade wars too with the U.S. and money to bail out Turkey isn't there.

    The worry for the eu here is that he may, in desperation, seek to blackmail the eu again of pay even more money for us to monitor the border or we open the gates.
  13. The stereo type we are presented with, by 'the media'? coffee drinking, militant, work shy sorts.

    Over the last few weeks I have started my move to France ( back and forth for a month or two, things to sort), anyway;

    SAUR water for our area, went in the office in Objat with no appointment, half an hour later a very helpful French lady had us booked in to turn on the water. Within 1 day.
    EDF, I think about a weeks notice, arranged a day and a time between 1.30 and 3.30. Turned up at 3.30 on said day. New meter. No fuss.
    Walked up to village and introduced myself to the Mairie. Came away with information pack for bin collections, times of day and week when acceptable to make noise.
    New neighbours talk to you, already know more people in the space of a week than i did after 1 year at last home.
    Bought a car. Garage and salesman mega helpful, beyond 'just getting a sale'.

    So far, very efficient. Oh, Credit Agricole (Britlline, ahem). Speak perfect English, staff sound like they come from various European countries, including UK. Easily sorted car insurance with them. None of the farce I seem to get in UK at times.
    I arrived, expecting much worse, so far proving to be more reliable and better communications than home!!
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  14. And there in lies what the eu commission does not want you to see because it wants to protect the project at all costs

    Even the most fervent brexiteers have said, we have no beef with the countries or people of other 27 and want to remain that strong friend on edge of the eu. The commission has induced a war between the 2 sides like a mischevious lawyer in a divorce by saying it's all or nothing.

    The peoples of the countries will generally have no beef with each other and at some point, I suspect soon, the other 27 will step in and remind the eu comission, the U.K. is not our enemy.

    I'm glad the move is going well jb and hope the retirement works out well too
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  15. Suspect you will fined leavers have no beef with almost everyone. Its remainers that have the beef, alongside the EU commission, who seem hell bent on 'punishing those upstart thicko wankers' who dared to vote against the Master Plan.

    Meanwhile, brexiteers are looking for trade and reciprocal deals with EVERYONE. Whats wrong with saying to Spain: our people can live and work there, your people can live and work here, subject to good trade agreements. And Germany. And France. etc etc
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  16. Agree, in part. Big problem though (this is not a selfish slant on things..) is that good trade agreements need some freedom of movement. EU wants that. UK dead against it. New trade agreements with Canada, China, rest of world will need some flexibility on this.
    There seems to be a strong viewpoint that foreign labour damages the UK when in fact the opposite is true. Rampant uncontrolled immigration may be an issue. That is for the government to control, it has always had the power to do so but has neglected its duties.
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  17. I really hope we'll get to a point where good trade deal equals movement of people too. Like used to be the case with some countries, like Australia. We still have the opportunity (as does the dealing county) to control who is in/out.
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  18. In some ways the best thing for the commonwealth countries was that we did leave them behind for the eu. This meant the colonial head was no longer the current and was an actual thing of the past.

    There is nothing to say however that we couldn't be part of a commonwealth 0% tariff safe country scheme where commonwealth countries do trade with each other at the zero tariff rate. There is no need for an eu organisation as any issues could be dealt with in the normal commonwealth meetings.

    I'm absolutely sure had the eu remained as a trade organisation only, we would never have left, but they did not and got a bit carried away with something most people never asked for.