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V4 Could The 2025 Pikes Peak, Öhlins Suspension Control Unit, Be Backwards Compatible ?

Discussion in 'Multistrada' started by Android853sp, Oct 1, 2024 at 5:32 PM.

  1. I remember Öhlins marketing a plug & play, revised SCU for the first generation Multistrada 1200S semi-active suspension that just used information from the OE sensors but greatly improved the ride.

    I question the need for Panigale-esque, firm suspension on the Multistrada V4 Pikes Peak in anything other than Race mode and since the launch of the 2025 V4 Pikes Peak, it’s bugged me that the reported revised Öhlins semi-active suspension algorithms might have softened the ride and I’m going to miss out.

    As the current semi-active suspension appears to use a similar principle plug in module, I wondered if the 2025 Öhlins SCU might be plug & play on my 2024 V4 Pikes Peak. I asked my dealer’s workshop manager the question but there is no information currently available with that level of detail for him to offer an answer. He has promised to follow up my question as information becomes available. Watch this space. Andy
     
    #1 Android853sp, Oct 1, 2024 at 5:32 PM
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  2. I'd very much doubt it, I'd be pretty certain that Ducati will make sure its not as its one of the unique selling points of the new model, but who knows, we might get lucky.
     
    #2 Sicilian, Oct 1, 2024 at 6:17 PM
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  3. Ducati routinely roll out updates and I don’t see the revision as a completely new SCU, just a rewriting of the algorithms that will use data from the existing sensors. Definitely cannot see redesigned suspension units. Andy
     
    #3 Android853sp, Oct 1, 2024 at 6:34 PM
  4. I just had a quick watch of the release video, going by that most of the new suspension features are only on the V4S.

    I'm pretty sure that the Pikes Peak is only getting Wet rider mode and the Suspension settings will be available outside of the rider modes. I don't much else different on the PP regarding the suspension. Doesn't look like the Auto lowering will be on the PP either.

     
    #4 Sicilian, Oct 1, 2024 at 7:01 PM
  5. That was my reaction to the announcement but others on here thought differently which is why I started down this rabbit hole. Andy
     
    #5 Android853sp, Oct 1, 2024 at 7:27 PM
  6. Just checked back and you were one of them :joy: Andy
     
    #6 Android853sp, Oct 1, 2024 at 7:31 PM
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  7. Yep guilty! lol!

    The current Multi V4 range also have differences with the suspension electronics. Multi V4S I had prior to the PP you could hold down the suspension button at slow speed to lower the bike which the current PP doesn't have due to the Ohlins.
     
    #7 Sicilian, Oct 1, 2024 at 7:48 PM
  8. So the ‘25 Pikes Peak won’t have the auto lowering suspension then?
     
    #8 Multirider75, Oct 2, 2024 at 11:21 AM
  9. Not from what I understand, only the V4S. Watch the release video.
     
    #9 Sicilian, Oct 2, 2024 at 12:07 PM
  10. It would appear, only on the Skyhook suspension. Current wisdom after several face to face conversations, there is no update to the Öhlins electronic suspension. Andy
     
    #10 Android853sp, Oct 2, 2024 at 1:00 PM
  11. That's clever of them not to include it on their flagship bike.:weary_face:
     
    #11 Multirider75, Oct 2, 2024 at 4:38 PM
  12. 2 different systems delivering a ‘similar’ experience. I know nothing about how the Sachs Skyhook system operates but I’m guessing giving the more mainstream V4S the lowering capability, opens up the customer base to the ‘adventure bike’ market. Something I don’t think the V4 Pikes Peak is aimed at. Andy
     
    #12 Android853sp, Oct 3, 2024 at 9:26 AM
  13. Could be. It's never been an issue for me, but I did find it strange that they're making such a big thing of it, yet it's not included on their top of the range bikes with Ohlins.
     
    #13 Multirider75, Oct 3, 2024 at 10:09 AM
  14. IMO, the V4S is the top of the Multistrada range. The Pikes Peak and RS sit in a (very) niche place in the market, selling 10s not 100s a year. How many people are there like us, touring on a Pikes Peak ? I'll have put 6000 miles on mine in its first year and would have done more if the weather hadn't been quite so awful. Andy
     
    #14 Android853sp, Oct 3, 2024 at 10:45 AM
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  15. I watched the BHPUK video on the PP v the RS.
    You really have to want the RS to splash the extra. As a road bike the PP engine seems to have more when you need it.
    I’m sure marketing groups decide on bike specs for commercial reasons only just as the PP suspension is different to the V4S when maybe he could have had the best of both.
     
    #15 duke63, Oct 3, 2024 at 10:58 AM
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  16. Can one of you change your avatar? They're too similar.

    I keep thinking @Multirider75 is quoting and speaking to himself, which on reflection, might not be bad thing.
     
    #16 gc6269, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:59 PM
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  17. I kinda glazed over at one point watching. But what I took away from the video was that unless you are going flat out to max RPM, then the RS has no real world advantage. To add, the reason, I feel, it doesn't get the full 200+ bhp is because Ducati can't handle the lawsuits when the mulit kills people. Those who have tracked the PP or barreled into a roundabout and felt the full weight of this machine (wobbling) on the brakes/front end will know, it's a safety thing.

    It's about personal choice. I've turned down the RS and put in an order for the new PP based on price point, real world touring ability/MPG, and servicing, I guess overall value for money.

    For context and the high end performance category I have to concede that I am looking at another Panigale for the stable :D
     
    #17 mutt1979, Oct 3, 2024 at 5:17 PM
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