Following on from the recent and terrible atrocity in Las Vegas and the largest mass shooting in the US, will this be the straw that broke the camel's back, in terms of gun law? Vegas has some of the most lax gun laws of any other state. How can it be so easy for an individual to acquire powerful fully automatic weapons with such ease and walk into a hotel seemingly with little if any checks being carried out. Obama tried to address the issue but I understand it's no simple task. The thinking is that Trump will do little to answer the call for tighter gun control, but with the irony that these events often fuel more people to buy firearms in an attempt to address a need to protect themselves, where do you start.
It's almost impossible to buy a fully automatic rifle from the government without permit & high level clearance. Although people who have been vetted can buy them from other individuals privately (gun made before 1986). Bump firing a semi-automatic rifle isn't a difficult skill to learn, which allows the same actions to take place. American citizens will be in a far deeper shit-hole if the government could outlaw weapons. As it is the police are gaining billions of dollars worth of ex-military vehicles & equipment. Plus after dropping of posse comitatus act in recent years. Has allowed the american army to train in urban combat situations on the streets & homes of americans (illegally confiscating guns under training exercises). The elite have tried to make collecting rain water illegal, make prepping food stocks illegal, growing food on your own property illegal, make storing vast amounts of ammo illegal. The good american's need to clear the senate floor of these globalist scumbags. The food industry can keep hidden GMO ingredients from customers & such like. All of these things combined with 'non leathal' weapons. That make your skin burn, too incredibly loud active denial systems are but a stepping stone too a fully blown dictatorship in north-america. People on a number of sites have assumed this was a mad muslim terrorist attack; instead its another mass shooting from the usual renegade actions of an insane person in USA. Don't forget when you culminating a view that usa can detain without prosecution any person it deems a threat indefinitely. It also has illegally under international law tortured people & still does on a military prison on an island outside of again, international law. I'm not about to defend anyone attacking america but they are not some sort of innocent nation. They are & will continue to receive blow-back from the whole-sale slaughter of people across the globe. RIP
Sales of firearms have actually dropped since Trump took office. Obama's attempts to bring in stricter gun controls caused a surge in gun buying, including a significant rise in buying by people who hadn't owned guns before, as people rushed to stock up on guns and ammunition to circumvent tighter controls in the future. People saw Trump as less hostile to gun ownership and so the buying spree slackened. As ever, the law of unintended consequences rolls on. Of course, what no one ever seems to question is America's violent popular culture. Terrorists, criminals and political insurgents aside, owning a firearm does not predispose an otherwise ordinary person to commit murder. They have to have something wrong with then to begin with. While controlling and monitoring gun ownership is obviously sensible and America's gun laws are ridiculously lax, it cannot be simply the availability of guns that encourages children to shoot their school mates or otherwise ordinary citizens to open up on random strangers, otherwise it would be happening far more frequently all over the world where guns are available. There is something sicker deep down in American society which is saturated with depictions of violence of all kinds as popular entertainment, romanticises armed violence as part of its cultural mythology and weans its children with the mentality that life is a shoot-em-up computer game. Control guns by all means but the you need to treat causes as well as symptoms.
It's too late to try to control guns isn't it? They already have more guns than people there. It's not guns that kill people it's mental or psychopathic or just nasty people. But the guns make it a lot easier to kill a lot of people.
Nevada is one of the few states where "long guns" as non pistols are categorised, can be found fully automatic. During one of my honeymoons we went to one such place to let rip, it was addictive for a short moment but that moment was short lived, the honeymoon too Places like these exist https://machinegunsvegas.com/ https://machinegunexperience.com/ This helps Legal firearms at the moment, out number the amount of legal residents in the states, that is a problem for any government. Personally I have fired both hand and long guns and I enjoyed it, mostly as a hobby for target shooting and can see the attraction. Often in America's gun death figures, they include suicide by guns which account for two thirds of gun related deaths. Gun crime in the u.s. is like our crime, on a decline but two things give an impression of it going up, the amount of repeat offenders/one of fanatics and the flooding of each event by the media which has gone way beyond in numbers than those we had as a child, 3 channels and black and white, add social media and suddenly everything is 24/7 These events are incredibly rare but media would have you believe everyday there is a gun massacre. In 2015 through mass killings (defined as 4 or more people being killed or injured) 475 died and 1,870 wounded http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2015-the-year-of-mass-shootings/ and yet these figures of deaths in the states are seen as not even 6 o clock news worthy Number of deaths for leading causes of death: Heart disease: 633,842 Cancer: 595,930 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323 Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561 Diabetes: 79,535 Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959 Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm it seems death does not sell in the limelight unless it's the right kind of death
RT.com is quoting this info; More than 50 people were killed and more than 400 injured in a mass shooting during an open-air music festival in Las Vegas, near the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino on Sunday night.
Thats quite surprising. So basically the police have killed more people out there this year than the gun-toting maniacs. There's a hint of irony there no?
What on earth are you on about, the police are not mentioned in those figures, do keep up There are figures for that and there has been a almost 25% reduction in people shot and killed by police and that number is 737 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/ in a country of over 360 million guns, that is an incredibly low figure and you seem to be working on the opinion that all will have been innocent. but you do seem to be taking it off topic
Americans believe that the only thing that will stop bad people with guns is good people with guns. They won't be giving them up any time soon.
Indeed. But there is no agreement on who are the good people and who are the bad people. And even if there was, a good person can turn into a bad person at any moment.
And quite rightly so IMO, compare that with the situation in cities in the UK and Europe where it's only the baddies that have guns. The right to protect is a worthwhile right that we simply don't have, hit a burglar or mugger a bit too hard and you'll be the one arrested for using unreasonable force, what a joke.
Mr Trump took measures a few months ago to abolish Obama-era rules restricting access to guns by people with serious mental health problems. Yes, you read that right - he actually favours deliberately letting nutters have guns (sic).
You seem to be struggling to grasp the concepts of "unreasonable force" and "reasonable force". To help you, "reasonable force" means justified, necessary and sufficient. "Unreasonable force" means excessively violent, unnecessary and unjustified. If you want to argue that any member of the public should be entitled to use excessively violent, unnecessary and unjustified force, go ahead.
Sure, some nutbag comes at you, maybe in your own home, with a machete or a gun - if you're not completely sh*tting yourself into a girl-like frozen fear let's assume you fight back but don't manage to wrestle the machete or gun from said nut bag - when would YOU decide the attacker is no longer a threat? Or would you hope you could bore them to death with 'how the law works' or 'logic'?
Thanks for that. You have just demonstrated that as I suspected you are wholly unable to grasp the difference between "reasonable" and "unreasonable".
