Long post, nearly 4 weeks at home mostly alone is starting to get to me...education and learning new and reviewing old skills can only soak up so much time...sorry So I watched this yesterday, its a few years old, and the message is excellently clear and superbly explained. (Note to those that present: NO POWERPOINT SLIDES!) Made me think...surely the answer is two things: 1) invest more in overseas aid, ensuring money gets where money is needed. That's on creating infrastructure, educational programs, creating industry and new businesses to support the communities they reside in 2) reducing the 80m pa increase in population, encourage safe sex and use of contraception, improve health and prosperity so that choices other than large families are choices worth making All seems obvious. But so are the challenges... *Corruption and greed *Self-obsessed political decisions serving 'us' not 'them' *Religious teachings and controlling beliefs *Improved health means longer lives means increased population and exasperation of the population boom Still can't make my mind up: is wholesale immigration a good or bad thing. Is encouraging the young, adventurous, those with an appetite for success to leave the very communities they would be able to change a good thing in the long run? How does immigration support the removal from poverty over half of the worlds population? Its worth the 6 mins
I love how some have the gift to explain really complex things in really simple ways. 1 ball out, 80 in kinda does it. Its a shame things like this get linked to EDL, BNP, Trump, other xenophobic types when actually its fairly straightforward facts. Bit like racists used to love Alf Garnet, and didn't get the joke that it was actually all aimed at him and not the ones he was rude about.
I've always been a believer in open borders as I love having the ability to travel where I want to work and experience what the world has to offer. There's no getting away from the fact that the UK is over crowded though, it's one of the biggest reasons along with the climate why we want to leave and move to Barcelona! I think Europe and the UK will be taking a thirty year backward step and become a much sadder and less colourful place if borders start to close but something is needed to stem the rise of right wing support amongst the population. It's a sorry state that this has led to Brexit as we will lose so many good things leaving the EU and there's double the amount of immigration from non EU peoples as EU ones that will not be changed by us leaving.
Nobody is talking about closing borders as far as I'm aware. That sounds like East Berlin in the 1960's The talk is about controlling borders and immigration, is it not? Very different. I personally have no problem with showing a passport to travel through Europe if it helps control security and immigration. I show a passport when I travel to any country outside of the EU. Whether you think that is right wing or not, I think it's a sensible approach.
It's not showing passport to travel that is a problem, it's the right to live in the country. My girlfriend is Italian and has been here sixteen years which is all of her working life and now she does not know if she will retain the right to be here. We have been looking at moving to Barcelona and perhaps buying a house but now I don't know if I'll be free to do that.
my nearest neighbor is an arshole. they aint that close, but still to close. a message thats been pushed a lot by our right wing messengers scotland with a population of 5.5 mill (4mill voters) with a land mass not that much less than england certainly has room to grow and it needs to with the aging population. which i think is the biggest factor in population growth?
a little harsh there i think,,, all english are not like that,, i used to know quite a nice one,,,, long time ago tho...
i know................ there are those on here who love to miss quote and twist topics so i just took the op to reciprocate..
Is anyone suggesting we increase immigration to cure third world poverty? I thought we took refugees as well as immigrants to prop up or low investment short term view economy
The Brexit vote is based on the taking of immigrants that contribute value to our society and therefore skills we need. If we continue to harvest those skills, from very poor countries where those skills can make real change happen, is that really the right thing to do? I don't buy that all those in the camp at Calais are fleeing war. They are looking for a better life, that isn't the same. Do I begrudge them? No, not all all. Does that help them to make their home country a better place to live so people don't want to leave/feel safer/more comfortable? No, it makes it worse. It is like taking an aspirin for a headache, and avoiding the tumour thats growing. Not living with it, not treating it, ignoring it. IMHO thats how the immigration argument has become. I just feel embarrassed that I am not brave enough to go and do something about it, and instead content to buy my bikes, have my holidays, live in my cotswolds home and have a conformable life.
i suppose it depends how you chose to get on with yer neighbors. looking out my back window i can only see one or two houses for miles. looking out the front all i can see is trees all the way to glencoe. plenty space.
Now we see it, plain as day. Gloaty McGloater, unmasked for all to see. Damn you, Gloating Finm! :shakes fist:
I agree with all of that. Re your point about the uk being overcrowded is that not largely london and the south east? Im on jury service atm in snaresbrook (east lomdon) and ive just seen a one and a half bedroom flat needing gutting throughout for 650 grand in Wanstead. Investment is needed not just overseas but also in other areas of our own country not coveredby the thames flood plains imo Might seemibvious to some i dont kniw but it seems to have escaped the attention of our delightful goverment up until now?
How do you get the balance: investment in the UK to improve infrastructure, supply more council housing, create new towns where there are greenbelt fields vs more taxes, more household govt costs to fund said investments and, often, subsidise businesses in less popular ares of the UK for business to create and grow new micro-economies? How similar is this gumball analogy with the migration of most with talent and drive to the south east? Emptying other parts of the uk to leave behind the uneducated youth and retiring old (and occasional business owner) to continue their existence in flat caps, kilts and scoffing black pudding
