Hi team I use the Pani 1199S for trackday use and have been using Pirelli SC's (sc1/sc2) for years but am considering trying the Bridgstome V01 slicks or even the Pirelli Superbike Slicks 200/60 rear The manual states for the race mode TC to work properly the size must be 200/55 rear The bridgstones are slightly differnet sizes to the SC's and wonder if they will affect the Traction Control or geometry 200/655 bridgstone v02 medium 120/600 17R bridgstone v02 soft/medium Also the Pirelli slicks are 60 profile not teh 55 profile which make the Dia/Circum bigger Is anybody using either of them on track and any issues with the TC etc ??
Looking back over previous posts asking a similar question, the concensus appears to be not below a setting of 4. If you prefer a higher level of intervention then more than likely yes. Andy
Cheers Andy In the manual its seems DTC mode 1 is for race compounds and DTC 2 for the OEM tyres... Its quite concerning when its states "Warning".. I will be switching from DTC2 to DTC 1 for track using Pirelli Sc2 on the rear - if i choose the Bridgstone or a 200/60 profile tyre it may not function as expected .. I know when i had the Gripone TC on my MV i had to eneter the tyre circumferance if i changed from a 55 to a 60 profile DTC modes 1 RACE Track use, for very expert riders, optimised for Pirelli tyres with SC2 compound. System permits sliding sideways. 2 RACE Track use, for very expert riders, optimised for OEM tyres (Original Equipment Manufacturer). Permits sliding sideways. It is the default level for the “RACE” Riding Mode 3 RACE Track use for expert riders. Permits sliding sideways. Warning The DTC level 1 setting has been calibrated using the tyres with SC2 compound (Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SC2) that are not those originally supplied with your motorcycle. The use of this level with tyres having different characteristics may alter the operating characteristics of the system. The DTC levels 2-3-4-5-6-8 settings have been calibrated using the tyres originally supplied with your motorcycle (Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP 120/70ZR17 at the front and 200/55ZR17 at the rear). The use of tyres of different size and characteristics to the original tyres may alter the operating characteristics of the system. In the case of minor differences, such as for example, tyres of a different make and/or model than the OE ones, but with the same size (rear = 200/55 ZR17; front = 120/70 ZR17), it may be sufficient to simply select the suitable level setting from those available in order to restore optimal system operation. If tyres of a different size class are used or if the tyre dimensions differ significantly from the original tyres, it may be that the system operation is affected to the point where none of the 8 available level settings will give satisfactory results. In this case is it is advisable to deactivate the traction control system.
Track focussed tyres are becoming harder to get in a 55 profile so your hand might be forced. To be fair, a 55 to 60 profile is an increase of just under 0.8" on diameter which I pretty sure from what others have said, isn't going to confuse the traction control. The Bridgestone at 65 profile might be a step too far. Hopefully some of the forum's more track experienced riders will chip in. Andy
The normal size Pirelli Superbike Slicks are what the bike is calibrated for on setting 1. I always used them on the 1199S and they worked well apart from not lasting very long so they ended up being expensive. The 1199R is a bit more violent so doesn't work as well on the Pirellis so I moved to the stiffer Dunlops which I use on all the bikes now. The Pirellis are a better bet in the UK when it's colder as they are not so temperature/pressure sensitive. The bridgestone V01 are not as tall as the Pirelli so I guess theoretically TC might kick in too early since they have a shorter radius (think I've got that the right way around?) but I've never experienced any issues when using them. I've always used TC on setting 1 or turned off though so I'm not the best person to comment. I tried a few sets of V01 in Cartagena but didn't like the rear as the bike doesn't turn as well even after I had played with the ride height a bit. I guess with a bit more fettling it might have started working but the turn off the rear wheel is important on the Panigale since it's a bit slower to get around than most bikes so I was happy to get back onto Dunlops. The front was excellent and I kept using that with some Dunlop rears later on. I like the stiffer Dunlops on the brakes but I'd be happy enough on the Bridgestone front even though I didn't like the rear.
Many thanks for the info.. Just one issue "The normal size Pirelli Superbike Slicks are what the bike is calibrated for on setting 1" They only do a 200/60 in the diablo slicks... rather than the diablo supercorsa sc 200/55 ??
yes, it defiantly can. just changing makes but with the same size can. i had turn mine down after going from pirelli to mitchelin
Yes those will be the ones, I wasn't sure of the sizes and didn't want to specify. I'm maliciously suspecting that the only reason they added the tyre calibration feature on the 1299 is because of people shouting on the internet. I've never met anyone in real life who has actually had a problem with TC and tyre choice.
I use the KR106 / KR108 slicks but from what I've heard from mates the GP road Dunlops are similar characteristics; stiffer than the supercorsas, last one and a half as long but more sensitive to temp/pressure.
Cheeky.... lol well thats the million $ question isnt it... Looking at the DDA data from Donni using DTC level 2 its coming in where it should be on the exit of fast corners using 200/55 SC2 on the rear.. Am i pushing hard enough , no not yet (only done 3 decent trackdays on the panni) , as i need to push harder to find my comfort zone and a basline where i can trust the TC to help when i push that little but further.. Normally i turn it off to get into a rythem and at a decent pace , then i turn it on at say level 3 and continue at that pace, if its interferring then i wil drop it to 2 and then start pushing past that current pace/laptime etc until it starts to interfere again and then move on from there etc.. Its a learning/trust circle....
When's your next track day? I'd be happy to come along and share setup tips plus show you a few wobbly lines
Can I ask a related question; what tyre pressures are you using and what is your management of them through the day like?
Rear HOT 28 front HOT 30 SC2/SC1 - no rear tear Now i have had the suspension sorted by MCT i will be trying out Rear HOT 24, Front HOT 34 I tend to check the tyres as soon as i come in from a session before putting on warmers
I find anything more than dtc2 very intrusive on corner exit. Not sure about you lot, but it seems to really sap the power..
