Present Brexit Situation. Cast Your Vote.

Discussion in 'Speakers Corner' started by Sam1199, Dec 2, 2018.

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  1. Take the deal and move on?

    11.4%
  2. Stay in the EU and face the consequences?

    31.4%
  3. Crash out and face the consequences?

    57.1%
  1. yep, we can't have an extension unless we ask the eu and we both agree but there in lies one of the reasons why the majority voted to leave, even the most basic of things is not even in our own hands.
     
  2. i think this highlights what I said before, most brexiteers DID know what they were voting for and the 99 leavings but the truth aint one, was from the remain side.

    I'll use a life comparisson. I've been married twice, divorced twice and have had a number of long term relationships. To this day, apart from one, I remain great friends with them all. I am aware I am lucky in that most divorces/break ups do not go this well and like us leaving the eu, our ex partner is being a right cvnt

    This was known to be the outcome by most brexiteers which is why many asked for the wto/free trade option to be launched at article 50 time to remove their ability to play fast and loose with the community of the U.K.

    So whilst some buffoons babble on about what was on the referendum? it was clear as mud, leave meant leave, not a little bit, not on every other Wednesday nor a timeshare. Had they followed the vote, these last two years would have not seen the anger we have had whilst trying to sooth a partner that wants to simply cut your nuts off and burn all of your clothes, whilst you are still wearing them.
     
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  3. Thats how i saw the referendum. Out was out. In was in. A binary decision.
     
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  4. Could the eu tell the republic of Ireland to erect a hard border?
    (I genuinely don’t know hence the question)
     
  5. And the deal as presented by Theresa May is out.
    Problem solved.
     
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  6. Indeed. As a remainer, i was convinced that i was voting against a hard slam the door hard shut brexit.

    Whats coming across is that so did leave voters.
    Where does this leave them and the gibbermunt?
    Actually scrub that? The goverment is doing its thing now irrespective of what they wanted in spirit if nothing else.
     
  7. Absolutely Mays deal is out, it defines her approach all along of trying to please both sides

    This largely was in the hands of the eu and within their rights, they have sought to make it as hard as possible because as many were warned about, the eu values the eu project above any member country, even less so one that is leaving.

    Scrapping it is not possible as politicians will be accused picking and choosing national referendums votes that they wish to accept and refuse, and lets be honest, no one wants to go down that snp route

    So it leaves you with, accept mays offer from the eu which leaves you in a worst position than now or wto/free trade which cuts the umbillical cord of the eu, accept the first few years will be rebuilding years and then the benefits will come.

    As I watch the parliament discussion of finance, time after time the speakers are saying we will be worse off until a few minutes ago when someone stood up and said, when you talk about a drop in gdp, will you please be more honest and remind everyone that it is growth that may drop a few points but we are still in a growth economy even in the wto free trade option.
     
  8. i think everybody wants to go down the snp route. ie, respect the promises and comitments made to secure a result if you want the result to be respected.
    if your saying the snp want to scrap article 50 then your wrong on that also.
     
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  9. Fin my snp comment was, as you know, to highlight what happens when a party disregards an independence democratic referendum result by the people, the people remove a third of mp's in parliament the next general election where they mention it again.
     
  10. Yes, whether they will or not is a issue for the ROI and might reveal the real truth about the eu and the gfa, I think we should call their bluff to see who the real villian is

    It is in their organisational system that external borders must have a hard border unless agreed with the external partner

    some examples that show, different agreements can be met when it suits the eu
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44054594

    Something that is making me chuckle. Many of those in parliament who wish to remain in the eu as they feel we get a better deal from them, are also refusing Mays deal because they understand we will be locked into control by the eu and do not trust the eu not to invoke the backstop

    It's a bit like the oki kokee
     
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  11. oki koki...
     
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  12. yip, thats exactly what happens when you dont respect the promises you make to win a vote.
    and secondly, when you dont run on an idepence ticket you lose 500,000 votes. 40odd k to other parties 460k reverting to type as in, why bother voting, nothing changes, the uk parties lie. its just taken brexit to expose it to you johny come latelys. :upyeah:
     
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  13. why are they calling it the meaningful vote? which ones of their votes are not meaningful?
     
  14. Apparently most of the mp's don't believe our votes are meaningful.
     
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  15. oh theresa has rang....can someone give a hand moving these goalposts please..
     
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