This year I've taken the 848 off the road and slightly turned her into a track tool... Done a few things to her including nemesis traction control unit, which has an input for a quick Shifter; so thinking about fitting one over the winter period for next year... I've heard a few stories about not setting them up properly can cause big issues; so a few queries and advice if you don't mind... I've never ridden a bike with a QS; so apologies in advance for bone questions and assumptions... Protection of gearbox is more important to me than super quick lap times; so when setting cut time, air on the side of caution and make the dwell / cut time longer than optimum? Should I reverse the gear level, to make a more positive downward movement as the QS takes effect? Apart from the cut period, and whether the gear rod activates on push or pull, is there any other setup required; such as tension required before cut signal is sent? Any recommendations on what a good gear rod QS to use? Final question... bearing in mind that a new gearbox is more expensive than a good mechanic; what should i expect to pay to get it set up for me?? Unless advice suggests that it's a doddle and I should do it my self ;-) Cheers, Bob
get it set up on a dyno then they can set the dwell times accurately on the hoof....... i know mick Boesman the nemesis guy has access to Iain Rhodes dyno in northampton!
Or buy an HM Plus SS that automatically trims kill times unlike ANY other shifter on the market to give slick shifts more of the time, even when a kill time is set to be slick in the mid it will trim it back so it's slick in the upper, also cuts the ignition directly for clean kill times, stand alone too, requires no other electronics to function, load cell tech so no moving parts, adjustable sensitivity and direction of shift, why buy anything else..haha
Sounds like you've got your head screwed on right. I'd definitely recommend a race lever, makes much more sense for fast riding. I've got an old school quick shifter with one switch time for all gears and like you I'd rather protect the box than save a fraction of a second. I run mine at about 0.4-0.5 of a second delay but ultimately if you really want to look after you're box, clutch every change.
the trim time can/should be different for different gears.....ie first to second and second to third will be longer than fourth to fifth.....
Had a look online at the HM SS... looks very nice; and safe, but quite pricey... As I've already fitted the Nemesis in line; so will probably check with them before I do anything... Getting it set up on a dyno run sounds like a good idea; I was looking to get it remapped so could combine the two.. Many thanks
The HM GP (not out for Ducati yet) does have individual kill times for each gear, it uses a VERY (faster than ANY PC etc) high speed CPU and math to calculate gear position and thus applies a pre set kill time for each gear as well as HMSS (HM Seamless shift) that trims those kill times too, it can even inhibit a shift to 7th gear so no time is lost at all (yeah yeah there is no 7th gear but shift after you have selected 6th and most still cut the ignition, in a photo finish you just lost the race!), as I said the HM SS trims the kill times real time for each shift, add up the savings over 30 laps or so and you save 2 seconds or more, hence the new lap record at the TT running the HM GP IMO some credit to that time is thanks to HMSS tech. Gearbox life is not affected buy quickshifters, poorly setup or poor tech quickshifters maybe! Shifters are common place in racing and on road bikes but sadly those found on bikes like Ducati/Aprilia/BMW from standard hardly qualify as quickshifters imo, they are nothing more than a crude switch so if you have gearbox life in mind then your off on the wrong foot with any OEM shifters. Its interesting that the likes of BMW claim aftermarket shifters could be to blame for gearbox failure on the likes of the S1000RR when the stock one is nothing more than SHIT! (thats right I swore). Price, well, you get what you pay for with HM. Its cheaper than stripping a Duc motor and rebuilding the gearbox.
Oh and I doubt that Nemesis will recommend anything other than there own shifter, why would they. I am a dealer for HM and proud of it too, not for money, for a quality product and support service. I'd sell another shifter to my customers if I could find a better one, I think I have used them all at some point, maybe not all but most. You will find HM at top level, Moto2 and many more top classes. What's not too like? Oh yeah..the price p.s, if you want one give them a call or order direct from the site easy to fit on a Duc too as the coil pack plugs are on the side of the frame
Arthur... I agree, and for me whilst price is a factor; preservation of my gearbox is more important... I just need to decide whether to fit it as a total stand alone system, or slave it of the nemesis TCS. Pros and cons of either way I suppose...
My decision would be made on the method of detection, how it cuts the motor (Nemesis by spark same as HM afaik ** as linked to TC **) how it controls detection and so on.. Detection of shift is key imo, life i.e no moving parts also, sensitivity control, adjustability (and ease) of kill times and sens, bonus for HM, dynamic kill times with HMSS. Good luck
I'd rather have a Cordona over the SP, but I'd rather the HM SS over them all. Have you run an SP QS FE? I have. And at 420.00 for the push rod setup you have to be mad not to have the SS.
I have no affiliation with any Quickshifter brand, but I can vouch for the HM QS. I have the race pattern integrated lever for Ducatis, have used them on several Ducatis, and it's been brilliant.
Ha, so use to how much questions....lol Yeah three levels of sensitivity, fixed kill time, works as push or pull, sub (ignition) loom is same as other models, works very well for entry level strain gauge shifter
sorted for you i use an SP lever with all the adjustable electricery within my Microtec ECU.....far superior to the other copy.. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
